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State Retirement Pensions: British Nationals Abroad

Department for Exiting the European Union written question – answered on 20th January 2017.

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Photo of Alison Thewliss Alison Thewliss Shadow SNP Spokesperson (Cities)

To ask the Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union, if he will make it his policy in negotiations to seek to retain European Economic Area (EEA) rules on state pensions paid to UK nationals living in EEA countries.

Photo of Robin Walker Robin Walker The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union

The reciprocal entitlements that will apply following the UK’s exit are subject to the wider negotiation on our future relationship with the EU. We will approach the negotiations with the full intention of securing a deal that delivers the best possible outcome for the UK and its nationals.

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Nine Penneth
Posted on 22 Jan 2017 3:05 am (Report this annotation)

Mr Walker. Your tongue must have been firmly in your cheek when you said this. If you're not aware, a law exists that can freeze the UK state pension anywhere in the world, EU included. It's called Section 20. So why try and deceive people again that the government will negotiate on their behalf - when they have absolutely no intention of doing so.
550,000 UK state pensioners throughout the world already have their pension frozen - what's a few more? Level the playing field Mr Walker - either freeze ALL expat state pensioners or (in Britain's interest) unfreeze the state pension worldwide.

George Morley
Posted on 22 Jan 2017 3:35 pm (Report this annotation)

The EU is only a small part of the world Mr Walker and your responsibilities extend to all of the countries of the world where any UK citizens live whether in work or in retirement. The pensioners wherever they are look to the Government to act in a fair and decent manner and we see no social justice from the freezing of a pension that has been earned whatever excuses are made for the implementation of it.
Discrimination being used by any government is contrary to the Code of Conduct for those MP's supporting it and just brings out the 'us' and 'them' that so many politicians seem to adopt once in parliament turning a bind eye to all that they know is wrong and failing themselves in the process.
Pension parity would not be a gift to the pensioners in the EU or anywhere else in the world as it has been paid for and is therefore a right which the past politicians have abused for far too long.
Come out of your denial box and promote freedom and justice for a change which must be the best possible outcome for the UK and its nationals worldwide. Scrap section 20 of the Pension Act and you have no future problems.

Jane Davies
Posted on 22 Jan 2017 3:51 pm (Report this annotation)

"The best possible outcome for the UK and its nationals."? Hollow political speak. The state pension is paid for by the recipients, paid for out of their earned income therefore the pension belongs to the pensioner so what can be "the best possible outcome for the UK "? This is not something to be negotiated by any politician, you have taken the money and the contract is you administer payment of this entitlement, and entitlement it IS, NOT a benefit, as some politicians like to call it, and politicians have no right to decide who gets an indexed pension and who doesn't. The freezing of the 4% are victims of blatant discrimination because the majority of state pensioners have their pension indexed wherever they live in the world and to treat them differently to the rest, when ALL are entitled to be treated the same, is an outrageous injustice. So to right this discriminatory treatment, as Nine Penneth has said above, either freeze all or index all. Just let's clear up one more thing, reciprocal agreements are no longer an excuse for politicians to fall back on. The DWP has admitted in a FOI request that no agreements are needed for the UK to pay it's pensioners their uprated pension anywhere in the world, paying of pensions is a domestic matter.

Andy Robertson-Fox
Posted on 23 Jan 2017 3:05 pm (Report this annotation)

The NI contributions made by those pensioners and who now find themselves frozen are of equal value as others of the same generation who are not; each, by those contributions, earned qualifying years for their pension. Justice, fairness and equality demand that all pensioners are treated the same, there should be no discrimination on any grounds, let alone the illogical one of where they live.
There are those who advocate freezing all overseas pensions but that would serve only to exacerbate the discrimination between them and the UK resident pensioner. Either all should be frozen or none.
The unilateral universal payment of index linked pensions is a government obligation that is long, long overdue....and would avoid all the unnecessary negotiations, Mr Walker.