Republic of Ireland: Treaty of Lisbon

Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs written question – answered on 15th July 2008.

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Photo of David Gauke David Gauke Shadow Minister (Treasury)

To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs pursuant to the Answer to my hon. Friend the Member for Wellingborourgh (Mr. Bone) of 1 July 2008, Official Report, column 779W, on the Republic of Ireland: Lisbon Treaty, under what circumstances the Government can withdraw an instrument of ratification in respect of an international treaty once it has been deposited with the treaty depositary; and if he will make a statement.

Photo of Jim Murphy Jim Murphy Minister of State (Europe)

holding answer 14 July 2008

The EU (Amendment) Bill received Royal Assent on 19 June. We are proceeding to ratification in the usual way; once prepared, the instrument of ratification will be deposited with the Italian Government in Rome. Once deposited, it will not be withdrawn.

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nick chance
Posted on 16 Jul 2008 11:14 pm (Report this annotation)

I'm sorry Mr Murphy but your answer doesn't address the actual question! Your answer assumes that your Government can bind any future in-coming Government in its actions. You must know that this is not possible. If, for example, a BNP Government came in I can assure you that all of the Bills since 1972ECA will be torn up. [If it was up to me so would ALL legislation since that time.]

You must therefore answer the question.

Anne Palmer
Posted on 16 Jul 2008 11:15 pm (Report this annotation)

It can however, be repudiated provided by that time there is something left of this Country, its Constitution, its Parliaments, its Monarchy, its forces, its police,its monetary system etc, to retrieve. ( See Lord Denning's ruling) Perhaps it might be as well to pray that the Treaty of Lisbon can never become fully ratified by ALL 27 Member states.

Jane Birkby
Posted on 17 Jul 2008 12:47 am (Report this annotation)

I am disgusted that Scottish MPs in positions of power, can dictate to us on this most important of subjects. Especially as they have deprived the electorate of the promised referendum vote on the Lisbon Treaty. A treaty which will irrevocably change the democracy of this country, and deprive the people of a voice on their futures.
Perhaps Mr Murphy can inform the electorate who actually granted the Royal Assent, and used the Royal Prerogative, and while he is at it, perhaps he could tell us what guidance the ministers and privy councillors gave to Queen Elizabeth on this matter.
We are being governed by political dictators, and our politicians are no better than Robert Mugabe.

Tartan Giant
Posted on 17 Jul 2008 9:40 am (Report this annotation)

The voice from the past!
".....We are proceeding to ratification in the usual way".
That means in truth, anti-democracy and being pig ignorant and arrogant beyond imagination, by ignoring the wants of the voters.
Hitler would be proud of the way this frog-marched EU elite has engulfed many nations withold their voters having any say in the matter.
This EU cretin is the illegitmate child of political bastar^ds.
That the Queen was deluded, and to be kind deceived, into this so called "Royal Assent" is just a joke.

The likes of Mr Murphy would do just as well in another dictatorship - Mugabe's!

Anne Palmer
Posted on 17 Jul 2008 10:50 pm (Report this annotation)

You say Mr Murphy "It will not be withdrawn", However, I would like the original question answered please, which was, "under what circumstances the Government CAN withdraw an instrument of ratification in respect of an international treaty once it has been deposited with the treaty depositary"?

Anne Palmer
Posted on 22 Jul 2008 4:05 pm (Report this annotation)

As we are not likely to get an answer from Mr Murphy, I will put another question to David Gauke if I may?

Mr Murphy and others seem to take a delight in ratifying the Treaty of Lisbon, and yes, I watched the debates in Parliament, so few Members of Parliament in those debates which made me wonder why I continue to vote or pay part of my money for their 'wages' and vast expenses MP 'pick up'? Came the voting and like rats coming out of their holes, out they came for the vote to make sure they do ever less "Governing of this Country than they do at present.

I now look at the matter from a different angle and not place my thoughts here.

I suggest that not only was it totally wrong of Prime Minister Brown to ratify a Treaty that was no longer valid, it was very wrong indeed to implicate Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II in its (illegal) ratification.

I would suggest that those countries, including ours, that have ratified an invalid Treaty, to make the matter of such an important Treaty legal, it should be debated and ratified (or rejected) again, particularly so, if any changes are made to it, to induce the people of Ireland to change their minds.

In the Government's eagerness to hand the Governing of this Country to the European Union whilst still holding the highest position in this land and whose total allegiance is to this country upon which they all swore a solemn and binding Oath of Allegiance to the Crown and this Country, our Prime Minister and his Government have ratified a dead Treaty, a Treaty that is in fact no longer VALID, and was not valid at the time of ratification. The Treaty of Lisbon was no longer in existence. It did not exist then and it does not exist now. It ceased to exist when that wonderful Country of Ireland rejected it. It ceased to exist in exactly the same way that the 'Treaty Establishing a Constitution for Europe' ceased to exist when two Countries rejected that Treaty.

What has happened now brings everything and everyone it touches into disrepute. Will any British Government ever be respected, honoured of envied throughout the world ever again? Will they Mr Gauke?