House of Lords: Abolition — [Mr Charles Walker in the Chair]

Part of the debate – in Westminster Hall at 4:53 pm on 18th June 2018.

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Photo of Justin Madders Justin Madders Shadow Minister (Health and Social Care) 4:53 pm, 18th June 2018

I appreciate that, but it does not make the existing system any more acceptable. The problem that successive Governments have found with the House of Lords, and the trap that they and we all fall into, is that we obsess about how we shall make the system work, rather than saying as a statement of principle that we do not believe that an unelected Chamber in this country is an acceptable way to proceed. We should state as a starting point that we want abolition, then if we agree we should have a period of time in which to work out exactly what we want instead.