I was not in the Chamber to hear that exchange, but it certainly sounds very disappointing. The hon. Member for North Devon has just taken over responsibility, so he cannot carry personal blame for the problem, but I was disappointed to hear him say that there is no money. To be blunt, that is what is always said by employers in difficult circumstances. A point was made about a subsidy through the catering establishment. If it required my paying 10p extra for a meal to provide a decent settlement in the cleaners dispute, I would certainly be happy to do that.