Protection of Wild Mammals (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3 – in the Scottish Parliament at 3:30 pm on 13 February 2002.
Murray Tosh
Conservative
We now come to Amendment 63, in the name of Alex Fergusson, which is grouped with amendments 28, 29, 30, 31 and 64. I call Alex Fergusson to move amendment 63 and to speak to the other amendments in the group.
Phil Gallie
Conservative
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I apologise for trying to raise this point earlier, but I was trying to save the chamber time.
We have just deleted a major section of the bill. We have cleared several amendments without any debate. Is it possible at this stage for the matter to be referred back to the business managers to extend the time for the debate?
Murray Tosh
Conservative
No. The timetabling motion was agreed earlier. We are bound to stick with that.
Alex Fergusson
Conservative
The lack of time perhaps explains our Opposition to the timetabling motion.
Amendment 63 is vital for animal welfare—as, indeed, is the whole of section 1F. My arguments in support of amendment 55 apply also to amendment 63. I do not need to rehearse them again. Indeed, as half the chamber seems to be leaving, there is not much point.
The argument is simple. There are occasions when the use of more than one dog provides the quickest and most efficient means of dispatching a verminous animal. To deny that fact is to deny the reality of pest control as it operates in Scotland today.
In its stage 1 report, the Rural Development Committee agreed unanimously that
"The principle of this Bill is focussed on the use of dogs which, while well intentioned, misses the point that dogs can be used in both a cruel and a humane way."
Voting against amendment 63 and deleting section 1F would prevent dogs from being used humanely. There is a saying that goes, "You sometimes have
I move amendment 63.
Murray Tosh
Conservative
I call Bristow Muldoon to speak to Amendment 64 and other amendments in the group.
Bristow Muldoon
Labour
Section 1F is another of the key sections that create the loopholes that have already been referred to. It is essential that section 1F is deleted. That is what Amendment 64 would do.
Like section 1B, which we just passed over—unfortunately, without debate—section 1F addresses situations where shooting is seen to be unsafe. Unlike section 1B, section 1F requires the situation to be unsafe for shooting before a dog may be used. It is not a matter of a dog handler allowing a dog to be used simply because they feel that the situation is unsafe for shooting.
There are significant problems with section 1F. No permission is required from the landowner, which means that even if a fox baiter were committing the civil offence of trespass, they would be exempt from the law banning hunting if they deemed the situation to be unsafe for shooting.
One of the strengths of the bill that Mike Watson introduced is that it would have enabled the police to address the problem of poaching, which has plagued the Scottish countryside for a long time. The bill originally said that using a dog to kill a hare or a fox was not just trespass and not just—in the case of hares—a breach of the game Laws, but hunting.
Section 1F would allow fox and hare coursing in open land close to footpaths, where there might be ramblers, and next to roads and railways, where shooting would be unsafe. We are told that that is justified because of the perceived need to allow fox and hare coursing to proceed in urban areas where shooting is unsafe.
We have been told why trapping rather than coursing is the way to deal with troublesome urban foxes. The British Pest Control Association has said that live trapping is the appropriate means of dealing with such foxes. That view is shared by the SSPCA. That fact alone justifies the removal of section 1F. If it is unsafe to shoot, do not shoot. People can trap or they can wait until the situation becomes safe.
I urge members to vote for amendment 64 and to delete section 1F. The amendments that attempt to amend the section do not improve it. It
Fergus Ewing
Scottish National Party
If people were to shoot where it is unsafe to do so, they would quickly find themselves in trouble with the police. Bristow Muldoon's point is irrelevant.
Today is probably the last chance to allow the bill to contain a provision that enables gamekeepers' work, terrier work and other legitimate pest control work to be carried out in ways that are necessary. According to a deputy chief constable to whom I spoke today, it would be totally wrong to use a rifle to shoot a fox at the side of the road. A dog might have to be used instead.
What happens if a mink gets into a chicken hut? Can a gun be used? I do not think so. The only way to dispose of the mink is to use a terrier. A trap would not work as the mink would not go into it as long as there were chickens to eat. If someone tries to shoot a mink that finds itself in a turkey hut, the turkeys' reaction will be to move to one end of the hut and die of suffocation.
None of the provisions in the bill, other than section 1F, would allow the necessary use of dogs in such cases. There are countless more.
Are the ministers and others who say that they believe that pest control is necessary prepared to vote for it? Do we know better than all the bodies who have advised us that they need to continue to have the right to use a dog in exceptional but important cases for the humane dispatch of the quarry?
Linda Fabiani
Scottish National Party
Section 1F, like section 1B, admits a loophole that would allow coursing, killing and baiting with a dog. I am clear that when the Parliament voted, by 84 to 34, for the general principles of the bill, its primary intention was to outlaw fox baiting, hare coursing and mounted hunts. We wanted to ban those activities because it is wrong to cause suffering to a wild mammal for entertainment. We were also clear that we wanted legitimate pest control to continue. Section 1F allows so much to be done to a pest species that fox baiting and hare coursing are allowed back into the bill.
If someone's only humane action in relation to an animal is to set a dog on it, I contend that they must be in a pretty unusual situation. For example, a man going fox baiting with a terrier and a spade can either batter the fox to death with his spade or bait it with his terrier. If he chose baiting, he would be exempted by section 1F because the alternative was less humane. Section 1F allows baiting in such circumstances. I believe that comparable situations would exist with hare and fox coursing.
Alex Johnstone
Conservative
Will she take a point of information?
Linda Fabiani
Scottish National Party
No thank you.
If someone were really undertaking legitimate pest control activity, they would have the option of shooting the wild mammal. If they were pursuing the sport of falconry, they would have the option of killing with a bird of prey. Both are allowed for in the bill.
Section 1F is dangerous. If we are to have a competent bill, the section must be removed completely. I urge the Parliament to vote for Amendment 64 and to vote against the other amendments in the group.
Murray Tosh
Conservative
During that debate, Mr Mundell returned to the chamber. He has the right to speak to amendments 28 to 31 if he wishes. If he exercises that right, I will allow Linda Fabiani to respond further.
David Mundell
Conservative
I apologise for my discourtesy to members by not being in the chamber when the debate on this group of amendments commenced.
The amendments that I have lodged would put section 1F in a much more workable form. Incredibly for the bill, they would introduce some animal welfare considerations. Amendment 31, which refers to animal welfare in the context of pest control, should meet all the concerns of those who have objected to section 1F.
I am absolutely opposed to amendment 64, which is an attempt to remove important safeguards from the bill. Those safeguards are all the more important following the deletion of "or a dog" from section 1A(1). If we remove them, we will have none left, and the bill will ultimately be, as some have always thought, a vehicle for gradually clearing the countryside of traditional country activities and those employed in them.
Linda Fabiani
Scottish National Party
Section 1F is not capable of improvement. Again I urge members to vote for Amendment 64 and to oppose the others in this group.
Murray Tosh
Conservative
The question is, that Amendment 63 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Murray Tosh
Conservative
There will be a Division.
Division number 20
For: Aitken, Bill, Davidson, Mr David, Ewing, Fergus, Ewing, Mrs Margaret, Fergusson, Alex, Fraser, Murdo, Gallie, Phil, Goldie, Miss Annabel, Gorrie, Donald, Grahame, Christine, Harding, Mr Keith, Jenkins, Ian, Johnstone, Alex, Lyon, George, McGrigor, Mr Jamie, McLetchie, David, Monteith, Mr Brian, Mundell, David, Munro, John Farquhar, Radcliffe, Nora, Rumbles, Mr Mike, Scanlon, Mary, Scott, John, Smith, Iain, Smith, Mrs Margaret, Stone, Mr Jamie, Wallace, Ben
Against: Adam, Brian, Alexander, Ms Wendy, Barrie, Scott, Boyack, Sarah, Brankin, Rhona, Brown, Robert, Butler, Bill, Campbell, Colin, Canavan, Dennis, Chisholm, Malcolm, Craigie, Cathie, Crawford, Bruce, Cunningham, Roseanna, Curran, Ms Margaret, Deacon, Susan, Ewing, Dr Winnie, Ferguson, Patricia, Finnie, Ross, Fitzpatrick, Brian, Gibson, Mr Kenneth, Gillon, Karen, Godman, Trish, Grant, Rhoda, Gray, Iain, Hamilton, Mr Duncan, Harper, Robin, Henry, Hugh, Home Robertson, Mr John, Hughes, Janis, Hyslop, Fiona, Ingram, Mr Adam, Jackson, Dr Sylvia, Jackson, Gordon, Jamieson, Cathy, Jamieson, Margaret, Kerr, Mr Andy, Lamont, Johann, Livingstone, Marilyn, Lochhead, Richard, MacAskill, Mr Kenny, Macdonald, Lewis, MacDonald, Ms Margo, Macintosh, Mr Kenneth, MacKay, Angus, Maclean, Kate, Macmillan, Maureen, Martin, Paul, Marwick, Tricia, Matheson, Michael, McAllion, Mr John, McAveety, Mr Frank, McCabe, Mr Tom, McConnell, Mr Jack, McGugan, Irene, McLeish, Henry, McLeod, Fiona, McMahon, Mr Michael, McNeil, Mr Duncan, McNeill, Pauline, McNulty, Des, Morgan, Alasdair, Morrison, Mr Alasdair, Muldoon, Bristow, Mulligan, Mrs Mary, Murray, Dr Elaine, Neil, Alex, Oldfather, Irene, Paterson, Mr Gil, Peacock, Peter, Peattie, Cathy, Quinan, Mr Lloyd, Robison, Shona, Robson, Euan, Scott, Tavish, Sheridan, Tommy, Simpson, Dr Richard, Smith, Elaine, Stephen, Nicol, Stevenson, Stewart, Sturgeon, Nicola, Swinney, Mr John, Thomson, Elaine, Ullrich, Kay, Wallace, Mr Jim, Watson, Mike, Welsh, Mr Andrew, Whitefield, Karen, Wilson, Allan, Wilson, Andrew, Young, John
Abstentions: Reid, Mr George
Murray Tosh
Conservative
The question is, that Amendment 28 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Murray Tosh
Conservative
There will be a Division.
Division number 21
For: Aitken, Bill, Brown, Robert, Davidson, Mr David, Ewing, Dr Winnie, Ewing, Fergus, Ewing, Mrs Margaret, Fergusson, Alex, Finnie, Ross, Fraser, Murdo, Gallie, Phil, Goldie, Miss Annabel, Grahame, Christine, Hamilton, Mr Duncan, Harding, Mr Keith, Home Robertson, Mr John, Jenkins, Ian, Johnstone, Alex, Lyon, George, McGrigor, Mr Jamie, Monteith, Mr Brian, Morgan, Alasdair, Mundell, David, Munro, John Farquhar, Neil, Alex, Paterson, Mr Gil, Quinan, Mr Lloyd, Radcliffe, Nora, Robson, Euan, Rumbles, Mr Mike, Scanlon, Mary, Scott, John, Smith, Iain, Smith, Mrs Margaret, Stevenson, Stewart, Stone, Mr Jamie, Swinney, Mr John, Wallace, Ben, Wallace, Mr Jim, Wilson, Andrew
Against: Adam, Brian, Alexander, Ms Wendy, Baillie, Jackie, Barrie, Scott, Boyack, Sarah, Brankin, Rhona, Butler, Bill, Campbell, Colin, Canavan, Dennis, Chisholm, Malcolm, Craigie, Cathie, Crawford, Bruce, Cunningham, Roseanna, Curran, Ms Margaret, Deacon, Susan, Fabiani, Linda, Ferguson, Patricia, Fitzpatrick, Brian, Gibson, Mr Kenneth, Gillon, Karen, Godman, Trish, Gorrie, Donald, Grant, Rhoda, Gray, Iain, Harper, Robin, Henry, Hugh, Hughes, Janis, Hyslop, Fiona, Ingram, Mr Adam, Jackson, Dr Sylvia, Jackson, Gordon, Jamieson, Cathy, Jamieson, Margaret, Kerr, Mr Andy, Lamont, Johann, Livingstone, Marilyn, Lochhead, Richard, MacAskill, Mr Kenny, Macdonald, Lewis, Macintosh, Mr Kenneth, MacKay, Angus, Maclean, Kate, Macmillan, Maureen, Martin, Paul, Marwick, Tricia, Matheson, Michael, McAllion, Mr John, McAveety, Mr Frank, McCabe, Mr Tom, McGugan, Irene, McLeish, Henry, McLeod, Fiona, McMahon, Mr Michael, McNeill, Pauline, McNulty, Des, Morrison, Mr Alasdair, Muldoon, Bristow, Mulligan, Mrs Mary, Murray, Dr Elaine, Oldfather, Irene, Peacock, Peter, Peattie, Cathy, Robison, Shona, Scott, Tavish, Sheridan, Tommy, Simpson, Dr Richard, Smith, Elaine, Stephen, Nicol, Sturgeon, Nicola, Thomson, Elaine, Ullrich, Kay, Welsh, Mr Andrew, Whitefield, Karen, Wilson, Allan, Young, John
Abstentions: Reid, Mr George
Murray Tosh
Conservative
The question is, that Amendment 29 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Murray Tosh
Conservative
There will be a Division.
Division number 22
For: Adam, Brian, Aitken, Bill, Brown, Robert, Cunningham, Roseanna, Davidson, Mr David, Ewing, Dr Winnie, Ewing, Fergus, Ewing, Mrs Margaret, Fergusson, Alex, Finnie, Ross, Fraser, Murdo, Gallie, Phil, Goldie, Miss Annabel, Gorrie, Donald, Grahame, Christine, Hamilton, Mr Duncan, Harding, Mr Keith, Home Robertson, Mr John, Jenkins, Ian, Johnstone, Alex, Lyon, George, MacDonald, Ms Margo, McGrigor, Mr Jamie, Monteith, Mr Brian, Morgan, Alasdair, Munro, John Farquhar, Neil, Alex, Paterson, Mr Gil, Quinan, Mr Lloyd, Radcliffe, Nora, Robson, Euan, Rumbles, Mr Mike, Russell, Michael, Scanlon, Mary, Scott, John, Smith, Iain, Smith, Mrs Margaret, Stevenson, Stewart, Swinney, Mr John, Wallace, Ben, Wallace, Mr Jim, Wilson, Andrew
Against: Alexander, Ms Wendy, Baillie, Jackie, Barrie, Scott, Boyack, Sarah, Brankin, Rhona, Butler, Bill, Campbell, Colin, Canavan, Dennis, Chisholm, Malcolm, Craigie, Cathie, Crawford, Bruce, Curran, Ms Margaret, Deacon, Susan, Fabiani, Linda, Ferguson, Patricia, Fitzpatrick, Brian, Gibson, Mr Kenneth, Gillon, Karen, Godman, Trish, Grant, Rhoda, Gray, Iain, Harper, Robin, Henry, Hugh, Hughes, Janis, Ingram, Mr Adam, Jackson, Dr Sylvia, Jackson, Gordon, Jamieson, Cathy, Jamieson, Margaret, Kerr, Mr Andy, Lamont, Johann, Livingstone, Marilyn, Lochhead, Richard, MacAskill, Mr Kenny, Macdonald, Lewis, Macintosh, Mr Kenneth, MacKay, Angus, Maclean, Kate, Macmillan, Maureen, Martin, Paul, Marwick, Tricia, Matheson, Michael, McAllion, Mr John, McAveety, Mr Frank, McCabe, Mr Tom, McGugan, Irene, McLeish, Henry, McLeod, Fiona, McMahon, Mr Michael, McNeil, Mr Duncan, McNeill, Pauline, McNulty, Des, Morrison, Mr Alasdair, Muldoon, Bristow, Mulligan, Mrs Mary, Murray, Dr Elaine, Oldfather, Irene, Peacock, Peter, Peattie, Cathy, Robison, Shona, Scott, Tavish, Sheridan, Tommy, Simpson, Dr Richard, Smith, Elaine, Stephen, Nicol, Sturgeon, Nicola, Thomson, Elaine, Ullrich, Kay, Watson, Mike, Welsh, Mr Andrew, Whitefield, Karen, Wilson, Allan, Young, John
Abstentions: Reid, Mr George
Murray Tosh
Conservative
The question is, that Amendment 30 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Murray Tosh
Conservative
There will be a Division.
Division number 23
For: Aitken, Bill, Brown, Robert, Davidson, Mr David, Ewing, Dr Winnie, Ewing, Fergus, Ewing, Mrs Margaret, Fergusson, Alex, Finnie, Ross, Fraser, Murdo, Gallie, Phil, Goldie, Miss Annabel, Gorrie, Donald, Grahame, Christine, Hamilton, Mr Duncan, Harding, Mr Keith, Jenkins, Ian, Johnstone, Alex, Lyon, George, McGrigor, Mr Jamie, Monteith, Mr Brian, Mundell, David, Munro, John Farquhar, Neil, Alex, Quinan, Mr Lloyd, Radcliffe, Nora, Robson, Euan, Rumbles, Mr Mike, Russell, Michael, Scanlon, Mary, Scott, John, Smith, Mrs Margaret, Stevenson, Stewart, Stone, Mr Jamie, Wallace, Ben, Wallace, Mr Jim, Wilson, Andrew
Against: Adam, Brian, Alexander, Ms Wendy, Baillie, Jackie, Barrie, Scott, Boyack, Sarah, Brankin, Rhona, Butler, Bill, Campbell, Colin, Canavan, Dennis, Chisholm, Malcolm, Craigie, Cathie, Crawford, Bruce, Cunningham, Roseanna, Curran, Ms Margaret, Deacon, Susan, Fabiani, Linda, Ferguson, Patricia, Fitzpatrick, Brian, Gibson, Mr Kenneth, Gillon, Karen, Godman, Trish, Grant, Rhoda, Gray, Iain, Harper, Robin, Henry, Hugh, Home Robertson, Mr John, Hughes, Janis, Hyslop, Fiona, Ingram, Mr Adam, Jackson, Dr Sylvia, Jackson, Gordon, Jamieson, Cathy, Jamieson, Margaret, Kerr, Mr Andy, Lamont, Johann, Livingstone, Marilyn, Lochhead, Richard, MacAskill, Mr Kenny, Macdonald, Lewis, MacDonald, Ms Margo, Macintosh, Mr Kenneth, MacKay, Angus, Maclean, Kate, Macmillan, Maureen, Martin, Paul, Marwick, Tricia, Matheson, Michael, McAllion, Mr John, McAveety, Mr Frank, McCabe, Mr Tom, McConnell, Mr Jack, McGugan, Irene, McLeish, Henry, McLeod, Fiona, McMahon, Mr Michael, McNeil, Mr Duncan, McNeill, Pauline, McNulty, Des, Morgan, Alasdair, Morrison, Mr Alasdair, Muldoon, Bristow, Mulligan, Mrs Mary, Murray, Dr Elaine, Oldfather, Irene, Paterson, Mr Gil, Peacock, Peter, Peattie, Cathy, Robison, Shona, Scott, Tavish, Sheridan, Tommy, Simpson, Dr Richard, Smith, Elaine, Smith, Iain, Stephen, Nicol, Sturgeon, Nicola, Swinney, Mr John, Thomson, Elaine, Ullrich, Kay, Watson, Mike, Welsh, Mr Andrew, Whitefield, Karen, Wilson, Allan, Young, John
Abstentions: Reid, Mr George
Murray Tosh
Conservative
The question is, that Amendment 31 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Murray Tosh
Conservative
There will be a Division.
Division number 24
For: Aitken, Bill, Davidson, Mr David, Fergusson, Alex, Fraser, Murdo, Gallie, Phil, Goldie, Miss Annabel, Harding, Mr Keith, Home Robertson, Mr John, Jenkins, Ian, Johnstone, Alex, McGrigor, Mr Jamie, Monteith, Mr Brian, Mundell, David, Munro, John Farquhar, Radcliffe, Nora, Scanlon, Mary, Scott, John, Stevenson, Stewart, Wallace, Ben
Against: Adam, Brian, Alexander, Ms Wendy, Baillie, Jackie, Barrie, Scott, Boyack, Sarah, Brankin, Rhona, Brown, Robert, Butler, Bill, Campbell, Colin, Canavan, Dennis, Chisholm, Malcolm, Craigie, Cathie, Crawford, Bruce, Cunningham, Roseanna, Curran, Ms Margaret, Deacon, Susan, Ewing, Dr Winnie, Ewing, Fergus, Ewing, Mrs Margaret, Fabiani, Linda, Ferguson, Patricia, Finnie, Ross, Fitzpatrick, Brian, Gibson, Mr Kenneth, Gillon, Karen, Godman, Trish, Gorrie, Donald, Grahame, Christine, Grant, Rhoda, Gray, Iain, Hamilton, Mr Duncan, Harper, Robin, Henry, Hugh, Hughes, Janis, Hyslop, Fiona, Ingram, Mr Adam, Jackson, Dr Sylvia, Jackson, Gordon, Jamieson, Cathy, Jamieson, Margaret, Kerr, Mr Andy, Lamont, Johann, Livingstone, Marilyn, Lochhead, Richard, Lyon, George, MacAskill, Mr Kenny, Macdonald, Lewis, MacDonald, Ms Margo, Macintosh, Mr Kenneth, MacKay, Angus, Maclean, Kate, Macmillan, Maureen, Martin, Paul, Marwick, Tricia, Matheson, Michael, McAllion, Mr John, McAveety, Mr Frank, McCabe, Mr Tom, McConnell, Mr Jack, McGugan, Irene, McLeish, Henry, McLeod, Fiona, McMahon, Mr Michael, McNeil, Mr Duncan, McNeill, Pauline, McNulty, Des, Morgan, Alasdair, Muldoon, Bristow, Mulligan, Mrs Mary, Murray, Dr Elaine, Neil, Alex, Oldfather, Irene, Paterson, Mr Gil, Peacock, Peter, Peattie, Cathy, Quinan, Mr Lloyd, Robison, Shona, Robson, Euan, Rumbles, Mr Mike, Russell, Michael, Scott, Tavish, Sheridan, Tommy, Simpson, Dr Richard, Smith, Elaine, Smith, Iain, Smith, Mrs Margaret, Stephen, Nicol, Stone, Mr Jamie, Sturgeon, Nicola, Swinney, Mr John, Thomson, Elaine, Wallace, Mr Jim, Watson, Mike, Welsh, Mr Andrew, Whitefield, Karen, Wilson, Allan, Wilson, Andrew, Young, John
Abstentions: Reid, Mr George
Murray Tosh
Conservative
The question is, that Amendment 64 be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Murray Tosh
Conservative
There will be a Division.
Division number 25
For: Alexander, Ms Wendy, Baillie, Jackie, Barrie, Scott, Boyack, Sarah, Brankin, Rhona, Butler, Bill, Campbell, Colin, Canavan, Dennis, Chisholm, Malcolm, Craigie, Cathie, Crawford, Bruce, Curran, Ms Margaret, Deacon, Susan, Fabiani, Linda, Ferguson, Patricia, Fitzpatrick, Brian, Godman, Trish, Grant, Rhoda, Gray, Iain, Harper, Robin, Henry, Hugh, Hughes, Janis, Hyslop, Fiona, Ingram, Mr Adam, Jackson, Dr Sylvia, Jackson, Gordon, Jamieson, Cathy, Jamieson, Margaret, Kerr, Mr Andy, Lamont, Johann, Livingstone, Marilyn, Lochhead, Richard, MacAskill, Mr Kenny, Macdonald, Lewis, Macintosh, Mr Kenneth, Maclean, Kate, Macmillan, Maureen, Martin, Paul, Marwick, Tricia, Matheson, Michael, McAllion, Mr John, McAveety, Mr Frank, McCabe, Mr Tom, McConnell, Mr Jack, McGugan, Irene, McLeish, Henry, McLeod, Fiona, McMahon, Mr Michael, McNeil, Mr Duncan, McNeill, Pauline, Morrison, Mr Alasdair, Muldoon, Bristow, Mulligan, Mrs Mary, Oldfather, Irene, Peacock, Peter, Peattie, Cathy, Robison, Shona, Scott, Tavish, Sheridan, Tommy, Simpson, Dr Richard, Smith, Elaine, Stephen, Nicol, Sturgeon, Nicola, Thomson, Elaine, Ullrich, Kay, Watson, Mike, Whitefield, Karen, Wilson, Allan, Young, John
Against: Adam, Brian, Aitken, Bill, Brown, Robert, Davidson, Mr David, Ewing, Dr Winnie, Ewing, Fergus, Ewing, Mrs Margaret, Fergusson, Alex, Finnie, Ross, Fraser, Murdo, Gallie, Phil, Gillon, Karen, Goldie, Miss Annabel, Gorrie, Donald, Grahame, Christine, Hamilton, Mr Duncan, Harding, Mr Keith, Home Robertson, Mr John, Jenkins, Ian, Johnstone, Alex, Lyon, George, MacDonald, Ms Margo, McGrigor, Mr Jamie, McNulty, Des, Monteith, Mr Brian, Morgan, Alasdair, Mundell, David, Munro, John Farquhar, Murray, Dr Elaine, Neil, Alex, Paterson, Mr Gil, Quinan, Mr Lloyd, Radcliffe, Nora, Robson, Euan, Rumbles, Mr Mike, Russell, Michael, Scanlon, Mary, Scott, John, Smith, Iain, Smith, Mrs Margaret, Stevenson, Stewart, Stone, Mr Jamie, Swinney, Mr John, Wallace, Ben, Wallace, Mr Jim, Welsh, Mr Andrew, Wilson, Andrew
Abstentions: Cunningham, Roseanna, Gibson, Mr Kenneth, Reid, Mr George
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The House of Commons votes by dividing. Those voting Aye (yes) to any proposition walk through the division lobby to the right of the Speaker and those voting no through the lobby to the left. In each of the lobbies there are desks occupied by Clerks who tick Members' names off division lists as they pass through. Then at the exit doors the Members are counted by two Members acting as tellers. The Speaker calls for a vote by announcing "Clear the Lobbies". In the House of Lords "Clear the Bar" is called. Division Bells ring throughout the building and the police direct all Strangers to leave the vicinity of the Members’ Lobby. They also walk through the public rooms of the House shouting "division". MPs have eight minutes to get to the Division Lobby before the doors are closed. Members make their way to the Chamber, where Whips are on hand to remind the uncertain which way, if any, their party is voting. Meanwhile the Clerks who will take the names of those voting have taken their place at the high tables with the alphabetical lists of MPs' names on which ticks are made to record the vote. When the tellers are ready the counting process begins - the recording of names by the Clerk and the counting of heads by the tellers. When both lobbies have been counted and the figures entered on a card this is given to the Speaker who reads the figures and announces "So the Ayes [or Noes] have it". In the House of Lords the process is the same except that the Lobbies are called the Contents Lobby and the Not Contents Lobby. Unlike many other legislatures, the House of Commons and the House of Lords have not adopted a mechanical or electronic means of voting. This was considered in 1998 but rejected. Divisions rarely take less than ten minutes and those where most Members are voting usually take about fifteen. Further information can be obtained from factsheet P9 at the UK Parliament site.