Section 1F — Exception: use of dog where method of humane dispatch not available

Protection of Wild Mammals (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3 – in the Scottish Parliament at 3:30 pm on 13th February 2002.

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Amendment 62 moved—[Ross Finnie]—and agreed to.

Photo of Murray Tosh Murray Tosh Conservative

We now come to amendment 63, in the name of Alex Fergusson, which is grouped with amendments 28, 29, 30, 31 and 64. I call Alex Fergusson to move amendment 63 and to speak to the other amendments in the group.

Photo of Phil Gallie Phil Gallie Conservative

On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I apologise for trying to raise this point earlier, but I was trying to save the chamber time.

We have just deleted a major section of the bill. We have cleared several amendments without any debate. Is it possible at this stage for the matter to be referred back to the business managers to extend the time for the debate?

Photo of Murray Tosh Murray Tosh Conservative

No. The timetabling motion was agreed earlier. We are bound to stick with that.

Photo of Alex Fergusson Alex Fergusson Conservative

The lack of time perhaps explains our opposition to the timetabling motion.

Amendment 63 is vital for animal welfare—as, indeed, is the whole of section 1F. My arguments in support of amendment 55 apply also to amendment 63. I do not need to rehearse them again. Indeed, as half the chamber seems to be leaving, there is not much point.

The argument is simple. There are occasions when the use of more than one dog provides the quickest and most efficient means of dispatching a verminous animal. To deny that fact is to deny the reality of pest control as it operates in Scotland today.

In its stage 1 report, the Rural Development Committee agreed unanimously that

"The principle of this Bill is focussed on the use of dogs which, while well intentioned, misses the point that dogs can be used in both a cruel and a humane way."

Voting against amendment 63 and deleting section 1F would prevent dogs from being used humanely. There is a saying that goes, "You sometimes have to be cruel to be kind." This is not one of those instances; this is about the humane dispatch of recognised vermin. I urge members to ensure the continuance of humane dispatch by accepting amendment 63 and so ensuring, crucially, that section 1F remains in the bill.

I move amendment 63.

Photo of Murray Tosh Murray Tosh Conservative

I call Bristow Muldoon to speak to amendment 64 and other amendments in the group.

Photo of Bristow Muldoon Bristow Muldoon Labour

Section 1F is another of the key sections that create the loopholes that have already been referred to. It is essential that section 1F is deleted. That is what amendment 64 would do.

Like section 1B, which we just passed over—unfortunately, without debate—section 1F addresses situations where shooting is seen to be unsafe. Unlike section 1B, section 1F requires the situation to be unsafe for shooting before a dog may be used. It is not a matter of a dog handler allowing a dog to be used simply because they feel that the situation is unsafe for shooting.

There are significant problems with section 1F. No permission is required from the landowner, which means that even if a fox baiter were committing the civil offence of trespass, they would be exempt from the law banning hunting if they deemed the situation to be unsafe for shooting.

One of the strengths of the bill that Mike Watson introduced is that it would have enabled the police to address the problem of poaching, which has plagued the Scottish countryside for a long time. The bill originally said that using a dog to kill a hare or a fox was not just trespass and not just—in the case of hares—a breach of the game laws, but hunting.

Section 1F would allow fox and hare coursing in open land close to footpaths, where there might be ramblers, and next to roads and railways, where shooting would be unsafe. We are told that that is justified because of the perceived need to allow fox and hare coursing to proceed in urban areas where shooting is unsafe.

We have been told why trapping rather than coursing is the way to deal with troublesome urban foxes. The British Pest Control Association has said that live trapping is the appropriate means of dealing with such foxes. That view is shared by the SSPCA. That fact alone justifies the removal of section 1F. If it is unsafe to shoot, do not shoot. People can trap or they can wait until the situation becomes safe.

I urge members to vote for amendment 64 and to delete section 1F. The amendments that attempt to amend the section do not improve it. It needs to be deleted.

Photo of Fergus Ewing Fergus Ewing Scottish National Party

If people were to shoot where it is unsafe to do so, they would quickly find themselves in trouble with the police. Bristow Muldoon's point is irrelevant.

Today is probably the last chance to allow the bill to contain a provision that enables gamekeepers' work, terrier work and other legitimate pest control work to be carried out in ways that are necessary. According to a deputy chief constable to whom I spoke today, it would be totally wrong to use a rifle to shoot a fox at the side of the road. A dog might have to be used instead.

What happens if a mink gets into a chicken hut? Can a gun be used? I do not think so. The only way to dispose of the mink is to use a terrier. A trap would not work as the mink would not go into it as long as there were chickens to eat. If someone tries to shoot a mink that finds itself in a turkey hut, the turkeys' reaction will be to move to one end of the hut and die of suffocation.

None of the provisions in the bill, other than section 1F, would allow the necessary use of dogs in such cases. There are countless more.

Are the ministers and others who say that they believe that pest control is necessary prepared to vote for it? Do we know better than all the bodies who have advised us that they need to continue to have the right to use a dog in exceptional but important cases for the humane dispatch of the quarry?

Photo of Linda Fabiani Linda Fabiani Scottish National Party

Section 1F, like section 1B, admits a loophole that would allow coursing, killing and baiting with a dog. I am clear that when the Parliament voted, by 84 to 34, for the general principles of the bill, its primary intention was to outlaw fox baiting, hare coursing and mounted hunts. We wanted to ban those activities because it is wrong to cause suffering to a wild mammal for entertainment. We were also clear that we wanted legitimate pest control to continue. Section 1F allows so much to be done to a pest species that fox baiting and hare coursing are allowed back into the bill.

If someone's only humane action in relation to an animal is to set a dog on it, I contend that they must be in a pretty unusual situation. For example, a man going fox baiting with a terrier and a spade can either batter the fox to death with his spade or bait it with his terrier. If he chose baiting, he would be exempted by section 1F because the alternative was less humane. Section 1F allows baiting in such circumstances. I believe that comparable situations would exist with hare and fox coursing.

Photo of Alex Johnstone Alex Johnstone Conservative

Will she take a point of information?

Photo of Linda Fabiani Linda Fabiani Scottish National Party

No thank you.

If someone were really undertaking legitimate pest control activity, they would have the option of shooting the wild mammal. If they were pursuing the sport of falconry, they would have the option of killing with a bird of prey. Both are allowed for in the bill.

Section 1F is dangerous. If we are to have a competent bill, the section must be removed completely. I urge the Parliament to vote for amendment 64 and to vote against the other amendments in the group.

Photo of Murray Tosh Murray Tosh Conservative

During that debate, Mr Mundell returned to the chamber. He has the right to speak to amendments 28 to 31 if he wishes. If he exercises that right, I will allow Linda Fabiani to respond further.

Photo of David Mundell David Mundell Conservative

I apologise for my discourtesy to members by not being in the chamber when the debate on this group of amendments commenced.

The amendments that I have lodged would put section 1F in a much more workable form. Incredibly for the bill, they would introduce some animal welfare considerations. Amendment 31, which refers to animal welfare in the context of pest control, should meet all the concerns of those who have objected to section 1F.

I am absolutely opposed to amendment 64, which is an attempt to remove important safeguards from the bill. Those safeguards are all the more important following the deletion of "or a dog" from section 1A(1). If we remove them, we will have none left, and the bill will ultimately be, as some have always thought, a vehicle for gradually clearing the countryside of traditional country activities and those employed in them.

Photo of Linda Fabiani Linda Fabiani Scottish National Party

Section 1F is not capable of improvement. Again I urge members to vote for amendment 64 and to oppose the others in this group.

Photo of Murray Tosh Murray Tosh Conservative

The question is, that amendment 63 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members:

No.

Division number 20

For: Aitken, Bill, Davidson, Mr David, Ewing, Fergus, Ewing, Mrs Margaret, Fergusson, Alex, Fraser, Murdo, Gallie, Phil, Goldie, Miss Annabel, Gorrie, Donald, Grahame, Christine, Harding, Mr Keith, Jenkins, Ian, Johnstone, Alex, Lyon, George, McGrigor, Mr Jamie, McLetchie, David, Monteith, Mr Brian, Mundell, David, Munro, John Farquhar, Radcliffe, Nora, Rumbles, Mr Mike, Scanlon, Mary, Scott, John, Smith, Iain, Smith, Mrs Margaret, Stone, Mr Jamie, Wallace, Ben
Against: Adam, Brian, Alexander, Ms Wendy, Barrie, Scott, Boyack, Sarah, Brankin, Rhona, Brown, Robert, Butler, Bill, Campbell, Colin, Canavan, Dennis, Chisholm, Malcolm, Craigie, Cathie, Crawford, Bruce, Cunningham, Roseanna, Curran, Ms Margaret, Deacon, Susan, Ewing, Dr Winnie, Ferguson, Patricia, Finnie, Ross, Fitzpatrick, Brian, Gibson, Mr Kenneth, Gillon, Karen, Godman, Trish, Grant, Rhoda, Gray, Iain, Hamilton, Mr Duncan, Harper, Robin, Henry, Hugh, Home Robertson, Mr John, Hughes, Janis, Hyslop, Fiona, Ingram, Mr Adam, Jackson, Dr Sylvia, Jackson, Gordon, Jamieson, Cathy, Jamieson, Margaret, Kerr, Mr Andy, Lamont, Johann, Livingstone, Marilyn, Lochhead, Richard, MacAskill, Mr Kenny, Macdonald, Lewis, MacDonald, Ms Margo, Macintosh, Mr Kenneth, MacKay, Angus, Maclean, Kate, Macmillan, Maureen, Martin, Paul, Marwick, Tricia, Matheson, Michael, McAllion, Mr John, McAveety, Mr Frank, McCabe, Mr Tom, McConnell, Mr Jack, McGugan, Irene, McLeish, Henry, McLeod, Fiona, McMahon, Mr Michael, McNeil, Mr Duncan, McNeill, Pauline, McNulty, Des, Morgan, Alasdair, Morrison, Mr Alasdair, Muldoon, Bristow, Mulligan, Mrs Mary, Murray, Dr Elaine, Neil, Alex, Oldfather, Irene, Paterson, Mr Gil, Peacock, Peter, Peattie, Cathy, Quinan, Mr Lloyd, Robison, Shona, Robson, Euan, Scott, Tavish, Sheridan, Tommy, Simpson, Dr Richard, Smith, Elaine, Stephen, Nicol, Stevenson, Stewart, Sturgeon, Nicola, Swinney, Mr John, Thomson, Elaine, Ullrich, Kay, Wallace, Mr Jim, Watson, Mike, Welsh, Mr Andrew, Whitefield, Karen, Wilson, Allan, Wilson, Andrew, Young, John
Abstentions: Reid, Mr George

Photo of Murray Tosh Murray Tosh Conservative

The result of the division is: For 27, Against 90, Abstentions 1.

Amendment 63 disagreed to.

Amendment 28 moved—[David Mundell].

Photo of Murray Tosh Murray Tosh Conservative

The question is, that amendment 28 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members:

No.

Division number 21

For: Aitken, Bill, Brown, Robert, Davidson, Mr David, Ewing, Dr Winnie, Ewing, Fergus, Ewing, Mrs Margaret, Fergusson, Alex, Finnie, Ross, Fraser, Murdo, Gallie, Phil, Goldie, Miss Annabel, Grahame, Christine, Hamilton, Mr Duncan, Harding, Mr Keith, Home Robertson, Mr John, Jenkins, Ian, Johnstone, Alex, Lyon, George, McGrigor, Mr Jamie, Monteith, Mr Brian, Morgan, Alasdair, Mundell, David, Munro, John Farquhar, Neil, Alex, Paterson, Mr Gil, Quinan, Mr Lloyd, Radcliffe, Nora, Robson, Euan, Rumbles, Mr Mike, Scanlon, Mary, Scott, John, Smith, Iain, Smith, Mrs Margaret, Stevenson, Stewart, Stone, Mr Jamie, Swinney, Mr John, Wallace, Ben, Wallace, Mr Jim, Wilson, Andrew
Against: Adam, Brian, Alexander, Ms Wendy, Baillie, Jackie, Barrie, Scott, Boyack, Sarah, Brankin, Rhona, Butler, Bill, Campbell, Colin, Canavan, Dennis, Chisholm, Malcolm, Craigie, Cathie, Crawford, Bruce, Cunningham, Roseanna, Curran, Ms Margaret, Deacon, Susan, Fabiani, Linda, Ferguson, Patricia, Fitzpatrick, Brian, Gibson, Mr Kenneth, Gillon, Karen, Godman, Trish, Gorrie, Donald, Grant, Rhoda, Gray, Iain, Harper, Robin, Henry, Hugh, Hughes, Janis, Hyslop, Fiona, Ingram, Mr Adam, Jackson, Dr Sylvia, Jackson, Gordon, Jamieson, Cathy, Jamieson, Margaret, Kerr, Mr Andy, Lamont, Johann, Livingstone, Marilyn, Lochhead, Richard, MacAskill, Mr Kenny, Macdonald, Lewis, Macintosh, Mr Kenneth, MacKay, Angus, Maclean, Kate, Macmillan, Maureen, Martin, Paul, Marwick, Tricia, Matheson, Michael, McAllion, Mr John, McAveety, Mr Frank, McCabe, Mr Tom, McGugan, Irene, McLeish, Henry, McLeod, Fiona, McMahon, Mr Michael, McNeill, Pauline, McNulty, Des, Morrison, Mr Alasdair, Muldoon, Bristow, Mulligan, Mrs Mary, Murray, Dr Elaine, Oldfather, Irene, Peacock, Peter, Peattie, Cathy, Robison, Shona, Scott, Tavish, Sheridan, Tommy, Simpson, Dr Richard, Smith, Elaine, Stephen, Nicol, Sturgeon, Nicola, Thomson, Elaine, Ullrich, Kay, Welsh, Mr Andrew, Whitefield, Karen, Wilson, Allan, Young, John
Abstentions: Reid, Mr George

Photo of Murray Tosh Murray Tosh Conservative

The result of the division is: For 39, Against 75, Abstentions 1.

Amendment 28 disagreed to.

Amendment 29 moved—[David Mundell].

Photo of Murray Tosh Murray Tosh Conservative

The question is, that amendment 29 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members:

No.

Division number 22

For: Adam, Brian, Aitken, Bill, Brown, Robert, Cunningham, Roseanna, Davidson, Mr David, Ewing, Dr Winnie, Ewing, Fergus, Ewing, Mrs Margaret, Fergusson, Alex, Finnie, Ross, Fraser, Murdo, Gallie, Phil, Goldie, Miss Annabel, Gorrie, Donald, Grahame, Christine, Hamilton, Mr Duncan, Harding, Mr Keith, Home Robertson, Mr John, Jenkins, Ian, Johnstone, Alex, Lyon, George, MacDonald, Ms Margo, McGrigor, Mr Jamie, Monteith, Mr Brian, Morgan, Alasdair, Munro, John Farquhar, Neil, Alex, Paterson, Mr Gil, Quinan, Mr Lloyd, Radcliffe, Nora, Robson, Euan, Rumbles, Mr Mike, Russell, Michael, Scanlon, Mary, Scott, John, Smith, Iain, Smith, Mrs Margaret, Stevenson, Stewart, Swinney, Mr John, Wallace, Ben, Wallace, Mr Jim, Wilson, Andrew
Against: Alexander, Ms Wendy, Baillie, Jackie, Barrie, Scott, Boyack, Sarah, Brankin, Rhona, Butler, Bill, Campbell, Colin, Canavan, Dennis, Chisholm, Malcolm, Craigie, Cathie, Crawford, Bruce, Curran, Ms Margaret, Deacon, Susan, Fabiani, Linda, Ferguson, Patricia, Fitzpatrick, Brian, Gibson, Mr Kenneth, Gillon, Karen, Godman, Trish, Grant, Rhoda, Gray, Iain, Harper, Robin, Henry, Hugh, Hughes, Janis, Ingram, Mr Adam, Jackson, Dr Sylvia, Jackson, Gordon, Jamieson, Cathy, Jamieson, Margaret, Kerr, Mr Andy, Lamont, Johann, Livingstone, Marilyn, Lochhead, Richard, MacAskill, Mr Kenny, Macdonald, Lewis, Macintosh, Mr Kenneth, MacKay, Angus, Maclean, Kate, Macmillan, Maureen, Martin, Paul, Marwick, Tricia, Matheson, Michael, McAllion, Mr John, McAveety, Mr Frank, McCabe, Mr Tom, McGugan, Irene, McLeish, Henry, McLeod, Fiona, McMahon, Mr Michael, McNeil, Mr Duncan, McNeill, Pauline, McNulty, Des, Morrison, Mr Alasdair, Muldoon, Bristow, Mulligan, Mrs Mary, Murray, Dr Elaine, Oldfather, Irene, Peacock, Peter, Peattie, Cathy, Robison, Shona, Scott, Tavish, Sheridan, Tommy, Simpson, Dr Richard, Smith, Elaine, Stephen, Nicol, Sturgeon, Nicola, Thomson, Elaine, Ullrich, Kay, Watson, Mike, Welsh, Mr Andrew, Whitefield, Karen, Wilson, Allan, Young, John
Abstentions: Reid, Mr George

Photo of Murray Tosh Murray Tosh Conservative

The result of the division is: For 42, Against 73, Abstentions 1.

Amendment 29 disagreed to.

Amendment 30 moved—[David Mundell].

Photo of Murray Tosh Murray Tosh Conservative

The question is, that amendment 30 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members:

No.

Division number 23

For: Aitken, Bill, Brown, Robert, Davidson, Mr David, Ewing, Dr Winnie, Ewing, Fergus, Ewing, Mrs Margaret, Fergusson, Alex, Finnie, Ross, Fraser, Murdo, Gallie, Phil, Goldie, Miss Annabel, Gorrie, Donald, Grahame, Christine, Hamilton, Mr Duncan, Harding, Mr Keith, Jenkins, Ian, Johnstone, Alex, Lyon, George, McGrigor, Mr Jamie, Monteith, Mr Brian, Mundell, David, Munro, John Farquhar, Neil, Alex, Quinan, Mr Lloyd, Radcliffe, Nora, Robson, Euan, Rumbles, Mr Mike, Russell, Michael, Scanlon, Mary, Scott, John, Smith, Mrs Margaret, Stevenson, Stewart, Stone, Mr Jamie, Wallace, Ben, Wallace, Mr Jim, Wilson, Andrew
Against: Adam, Brian, Alexander, Ms Wendy, Baillie, Jackie, Barrie, Scott, Boyack, Sarah, Brankin, Rhona, Butler, Bill, Campbell, Colin, Canavan, Dennis, Chisholm, Malcolm, Craigie, Cathie, Crawford, Bruce, Cunningham, Roseanna, Curran, Ms Margaret, Deacon, Susan, Fabiani, Linda, Ferguson, Patricia, Fitzpatrick, Brian, Gibson, Mr Kenneth, Gillon, Karen, Godman, Trish, Grant, Rhoda, Gray, Iain, Harper, Robin, Henry, Hugh, Home Robertson, Mr John, Hughes, Janis, Hyslop, Fiona, Ingram, Mr Adam, Jackson, Dr Sylvia, Jackson, Gordon, Jamieson, Cathy, Jamieson, Margaret, Kerr, Mr Andy, Lamont, Johann, Livingstone, Marilyn, Lochhead, Richard, MacAskill, Mr Kenny, Macdonald, Lewis, MacDonald, Ms Margo, Macintosh, Mr Kenneth, MacKay, Angus, Maclean, Kate, Macmillan, Maureen, Martin, Paul, Marwick, Tricia, Matheson, Michael, McAllion, Mr John, McAveety, Mr Frank, McCabe, Mr Tom, McConnell, Mr Jack, McGugan, Irene, McLeish, Henry, McLeod, Fiona, McMahon, Mr Michael, McNeil, Mr Duncan, McNeill, Pauline, McNulty, Des, Morgan, Alasdair, Morrison, Mr Alasdair, Muldoon, Bristow, Mulligan, Mrs Mary, Murray, Dr Elaine, Oldfather, Irene, Paterson, Mr Gil, Peacock, Peter, Peattie, Cathy, Robison, Shona, Scott, Tavish, Sheridan, Tommy, Simpson, Dr Richard, Smith, Elaine, Smith, Iain, Stephen, Nicol, Sturgeon, Nicola, Swinney, Mr John, Thomson, Elaine, Ullrich, Kay, Watson, Mike, Welsh, Mr Andrew, Whitefield, Karen, Wilson, Allan, Young, John
Abstentions: Reid, Mr George

Photo of Murray Tosh Murray Tosh Conservative

The result of the division is: For 36, Against 83, Abstentions 1.

Amendment 30 disagreed to.

Amendment 31 moved—[David Mundell].

Photo of Murray Tosh Murray Tosh Conservative

The question is, that amendment 31 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members:

No.

Division number 24

For: Aitken, Bill, Davidson, Mr David, Fergusson, Alex, Fraser, Murdo, Gallie, Phil, Goldie, Miss Annabel, Harding, Mr Keith, Home Robertson, Mr John, Jenkins, Ian, Johnstone, Alex, McGrigor, Mr Jamie, Monteith, Mr Brian, Mundell, David, Munro, John Farquhar, Radcliffe, Nora, Scanlon, Mary, Scott, John, Stevenson, Stewart, Wallace, Ben
Against: Adam, Brian, Alexander, Ms Wendy, Baillie, Jackie, Barrie, Scott, Boyack, Sarah, Brankin, Rhona, Brown, Robert, Butler, Bill, Campbell, Colin, Canavan, Dennis, Chisholm, Malcolm, Craigie, Cathie, Crawford, Bruce, Cunningham, Roseanna, Curran, Ms Margaret, Deacon, Susan, Ewing, Dr Winnie, Ewing, Fergus, Ewing, Mrs Margaret, Fabiani, Linda, Ferguson, Patricia, Finnie, Ross, Fitzpatrick, Brian, Gibson, Mr Kenneth, Gillon, Karen, Godman, Trish, Gorrie, Donald, Grahame, Christine, Grant, Rhoda, Gray, Iain, Hamilton, Mr Duncan, Harper, Robin, Henry, Hugh, Hughes, Janis, Hyslop, Fiona, Ingram, Mr Adam, Jackson, Dr Sylvia, Jackson, Gordon, Jamieson, Cathy, Jamieson, Margaret, Kerr, Mr Andy, Lamont, Johann, Livingstone, Marilyn, Lochhead, Richard, Lyon, George, MacAskill, Mr Kenny, Macdonald, Lewis, MacDonald, Ms Margo, Macintosh, Mr Kenneth, MacKay, Angus, Maclean, Kate, Macmillan, Maureen, Martin, Paul, Marwick, Tricia, Matheson, Michael, McAllion, Mr John, McAveety, Mr Frank, McCabe, Mr Tom, McConnell, Mr Jack, McGugan, Irene, McLeish, Henry, McLeod, Fiona, McMahon, Mr Michael, McNeil, Mr Duncan, McNeill, Pauline, McNulty, Des, Morgan, Alasdair, Muldoon, Bristow, Mulligan, Mrs Mary, Murray, Dr Elaine, Neil, Alex, Oldfather, Irene, Paterson, Mr Gil, Peacock, Peter, Peattie, Cathy, Quinan, Mr Lloyd, Robison, Shona, Robson, Euan, Rumbles, Mr Mike, Russell, Michael, Scott, Tavish, Sheridan, Tommy, Simpson, Dr Richard, Smith, Elaine, Smith, Iain, Smith, Mrs Margaret, Stephen, Nicol, Stone, Mr Jamie, Sturgeon, Nicola, Swinney, Mr John, Thomson, Elaine, Wallace, Mr Jim, Watson, Mike, Welsh, Mr Andrew, Whitefield, Karen, Wilson, Allan, Wilson, Andrew, Young, John
Abstentions: Reid, Mr George

Photo of Murray Tosh Murray Tosh Conservative

The result of the division is: For 19, Against 98, Abstentions 1.

Amendment 31 disagreed to.

Amendment 64 moved—[Bristow Muldoon].

Photo of Murray Tosh Murray Tosh Conservative

The question is, that amendment 64 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members:

No.

Division number 25

For: Alexander, Ms Wendy, Baillie, Jackie, Barrie, Scott, Boyack, Sarah, Brankin, Rhona, Butler, Bill, Campbell, Colin, Canavan, Dennis, Chisholm, Malcolm, Craigie, Cathie, Crawford, Bruce, Curran, Ms Margaret, Deacon, Susan, Fabiani, Linda, Ferguson, Patricia, Fitzpatrick, Brian, Godman, Trish, Grant, Rhoda, Gray, Iain, Harper, Robin, Henry, Hugh, Hughes, Janis, Hyslop, Fiona, Ingram, Mr Adam, Jackson, Dr Sylvia, Jackson, Gordon, Jamieson, Cathy, Jamieson, Margaret, Kerr, Mr Andy, Lamont, Johann, Livingstone, Marilyn, Lochhead, Richard, MacAskill, Mr Kenny, Macdonald, Lewis, Macintosh, Mr Kenneth, Maclean, Kate, Macmillan, Maureen, Martin, Paul, Marwick, Tricia, Matheson, Michael, McAllion, Mr John, McAveety, Mr Frank, McCabe, Mr Tom, McConnell, Mr Jack, McGugan, Irene, McLeish, Henry, McLeod, Fiona, McMahon, Mr Michael, McNeil, Mr Duncan, McNeill, Pauline, Morrison, Mr Alasdair, Muldoon, Bristow, Mulligan, Mrs Mary, Oldfather, Irene, Peacock, Peter, Peattie, Cathy, Robison, Shona, Scott, Tavish, Sheridan, Tommy, Simpson, Dr Richard, Smith, Elaine, Stephen, Nicol, Sturgeon, Nicola, Thomson, Elaine, Ullrich, Kay, Watson, Mike, Whitefield, Karen, Wilson, Allan, Young, John
Against: Adam, Brian, Aitken, Bill, Brown, Robert, Davidson, Mr David, Ewing, Dr Winnie, Ewing, Fergus, Ewing, Mrs Margaret, Fergusson, Alex, Finnie, Ross, Fraser, Murdo, Gallie, Phil, Gillon, Karen, Goldie, Miss Annabel, Gorrie, Donald, Grahame, Christine, Hamilton, Mr Duncan, Harding, Mr Keith, Home Robertson, Mr John, Jenkins, Ian, Johnstone, Alex, Lyon, George, MacDonald, Ms Margo, McGrigor, Mr Jamie, McNulty, Des, Monteith, Mr Brian, Morgan, Alasdair, Mundell, David, Munro, John Farquhar, Murray, Dr Elaine, Neil, Alex, Paterson, Mr Gil, Quinan, Mr Lloyd, Radcliffe, Nora, Robson, Euan, Rumbles, Mr Mike, Russell, Michael, Scanlon, Mary, Scott, John, Smith, Iain, Smith, Mrs Margaret, Stevenson, Stewart, Stone, Mr Jamie, Swinney, Mr John, Wallace, Ben, Wallace, Mr Jim, Welsh, Mr Andrew, Wilson, Andrew
Abstentions: Cunningham, Roseanna, Gibson, Mr Kenneth, Reid, Mr George

Photo of Murray Tosh Murray Tosh Conservative

The result of the division is: For 69, Against 47, Abstentions 3.

Amendment 64 agreed to.