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Motion without Notice

– in the Scottish Parliament at 3:42 pm on 20th December 2001.

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Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament 3:42 pm, 20th December 2001

On the subject of Alex Neil's point of order, I have been advised that, if someone moved a motion without notice that we take note of the closure of the lifelong learning accounts, it would be up to the Parliament to decide whether to agree to that motion.

I remind members that, just before 4 o'clock, the President of Croatia will address a meeting in committee room 1, to which everyone is welcome.

Photo of Alex Neil Alex Neil Scottish National Party

I would like to move a motion without notice that we hear from the First Minister this afternoon on the subject of the closure of the individual learning accounts.

I move,

That a motion on Individual Learning Accounts be taken at this meeting of the Parliament.

Photo of Rt Hon Jack McConnell Rt Hon Jack McConnell Labour

On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I remind members that, at the invitation of the Scottish Parliament—not the Executive—the President of Croatia is in the Parliament today and is due to address us in seven minutes' time. The members who pretend occasionally that they want Scotland to be an independent and dignified country might not regard it as discourteous for us to take the action that Alex Neil has suggested, but I do. Ms Alexander has written to every member of the Scottish Parliament today and I have already said—

Photo of Rt Hon Jack McConnell Rt Hon Jack McConnell Labour

I am in the middle of a point of order.

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

Order. The First Minister is in the middle of a point of order and I can take only one at a time.

Photo of Rt Hon Jack McConnell Rt Hon Jack McConnell Labour

Ms Alexander has written to every member of the Scottish Parliament and I have made it clear that she will answer any questions that members have on this matter during the recess. I repeat that I think that it would be discourteous for the chamber to keep the President of Croatia waiting when he has come to see us.

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

I will put the question on the motion without notice. The question is, that a motion on individual learning accounts be taken at this meeting of the Parliament. Are we agreed?

Members:

No.

Division number 2

For: Adam, Brian, Aitken, Bill, Campbell, Colin, Canavan, Dennis, Crawford, Bruce, Cunningham, Roseanna, Davidson, Mr David, Deacon, Susan, Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James, Elder, Dorothy-Grace, Ewing, Fergus, Ewing, Mrs Margaret, Fabiani, Linda, Fergusson, Alex, Fraser, Murdo, Gallie, Phil, Gibson, Mr Kenneth, Goldie, Miss Annabel, Hamilton, Mr Duncan, Harper, Robin, Hyslop, Fiona, Ingram, Mr Adam, Jackson, Dr Sylvia, Lochhead, Richard, MacAskill, Mr Kenny, MacDonald, Ms Margo, Marwick, Tricia, Matheson, Michael, McAllion, Mr John, McGrigor, Mr Jamie, McGugan, Irene, McIntosh, Mrs Lyndsay, McLeod, Fiona, McLetchie, David, McNeill, Pauline, Monteith, Mr Brian, Morgan, Alasdair, Mundell, David, Neil, Alex, Paterson, Mr Gil, Peattie, Cathy, Quinan, Mr Lloyd, Reid, Mr George, Russell, Michael, Scanlon, Mary, Scott, John, Sheridan, Tommy, Stevenson, Stewart, Swinney, Mr John, Ullrich, Kay, Welsh, Mr Andrew, White, Ms Sandra
Against: Baillie, Jackie, Barrie, Scott, Brankin, Rhona, Brown, Robert, Butler, Bill, Chisholm, Malcolm, Craigie, Cathie, Curran, Ms Margaret, Eadie, Helen, Ferguson, Patricia, Finnie, Ross, Fitzpatrick, Brian, Godman, Trish, Grant, Rhoda, Gray, Iain, Henry, Hugh, Home Robertson, Mr John, Hughes, Janis, Jamieson, Cathy, Jamieson, Margaret, Jenkins, Ian, Kerr, Mr Andy, Lamont, Johann, Livingstone, Marilyn, Macdonald, Lewis, Macintosh, Mr Kenneth, MacKay, Angus, MacLean, Kate, Macmillan, Maureen, Martin, Paul, McCabe, Mr Tom, McConnell, Mr Jack, McNeil, Mr Duncan, McNulty, Des, Muldoon, Bristow, Mulligan, Mrs Mary, Munro, John Farquhar, Murray, Dr Elaine, Oldfather, Irene, Peacock, Peter, Radcliffe, Nora, Raffan, Mr Keith, Robson, Euan, Rumbles, Mr Mike, Scott, Tavish, Simpson, Dr Richard, Smith, Iain, Smith, Mrs Margaret, Stephen, Nicol, Stone, Mr Jamie, Thomson, Elaine, Watson, Mike, Whitefield, Karen, Wilson, Allan
Abstentions: Tosh, Mr Murray

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

The result of the division is: For 52, Against 54, Abstentions 1.

Motion disagreed to.

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

I hope that members will listen to what the First Minister just said. I am due to take the chair for the address from the President of Croatia. Tommy Sheridan has a point of order.

Photo of Tommy Sheridan Tommy Sheridan SSP

Will you inform us fully of the situation? I understood that we had voted to bring forward decision time.

Photo of Tommy Sheridan Tommy Sheridan SSP

That is why my question is key. If the reason that we are not to have a statement on individual learning accounts is the invitation for the President of Croatia to address a meeting at 4 o'clock, that is a wee bit precipitate, given that we have not even voted to bring forward decision time.

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

The chamber has decided not to take the motion without notice on a statement on individual learning accounts. I did not decide that. We cannot redebate the issue.