Section 78A — Statements on fuel poverty

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3 – in the Scottish Parliament at 4:45 pm on 13th June 2001.

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Photo of Fiona Hyslop Fiona Hyslop Scottish National Party

Section 78A provides for a statement on fuel poverty. The whole chamber welcomed the fact that the Executive agreed to introduce a statement on fuel poverty at stage 2. At stage 2, Robert Brown moved an amendment on warm homes, which, unfortunately, was not incorporated in the bill, although I understand that parts of it have been included and the Executive has given commitments on the matter.

An issue that remains is the time scale: when will the provision come into force? Section 78A says:

"The Scottish Ministers must, within 12 months of the coming into force of this section" publish a statement, but leaves it at the ministers' discretion when they introduce the section. If amendment 199 were agreed to, ministers would have to produce a statement

"within 12 months of the date of Royal Assent of this Act".

I will be interested to hear what the minister has to say about the time scale.

Amendment 200 tries to reinstate some of the original warm homes amendment so that there is direction as to the content of the fuel poverty statement. The statement should talk about the efficiency of appliances, thermal efficiency and regular energy audits of homes. Indeed, the original warm homes amendment said that that had to be done at time of movement of occupation, but it might be better if the provision were a bit looser to allow some flexibility.

Amendments 201 and 202 talk about the time scales for review of the statement and the performance of the Executive. As it stands, the bill states that there should be a review every four years. Amendments 201 and 202 request that we recognise, as I think the Parliament does, that fuel poverty is such an important issue that the statement and the Executive's performance should be reviewed annually. The amendments are fairly straightforward.

I move amendment 199.

Photo of Linda Fabiani Linda Fabiani Scottish National Party

The effect of amendment 172 would be to make the target for the achievement of the Executive's proposals 10 years rather than 15 years, as published. I ask Labour members to think back to their manifesto for the Scottish Parliament elections in 1999, which said that they would eradicate fuel poverty within two terms of a Labour Administration at Holyrood. They are now giving themselves an extra seven years. I am being very generous in giving the Executive an extra two years. I know that Robin Harper will say that the eradication of fuel poverty should be carried out in eight years. I urge the Parliament to be ambitious.

Photo of Robin Harper Robin Harper Green

I will be brief because the arguments have already been adumbrated. At the 1999 Scottish Parliament elections, Scottish Labour pledged to eradicate fuel poverty by 2007, but the Housing (Scotland) Bill makes the target in effect 2017. That difference will result in more pensioners dying and more children suffering asthma than would otherwise have been the case. If the Executive cannot fulfil its pledge, it should explain precisely why the change has been made and what logistical and financial constraints have been imposed on it to force it to reduce its ambitions.

Photo of Bill Aitken Bill Aitken Conservative

The arguments about section 78A were well canvassed at the committee. The amendments that have been lodged by Linda Fabiani, Fiona Hyslop and Robin Harper are infinitely well meaning, but I have some difficulty with the practicalities.

I shall deal first of all with the target period. One would obviously wish that significant progress could be made towards the final situation that we all want—more fuel-efficient and warmer homes—well within the 15-year period. However, that is a target; it is not set in tablets of stone. We accepted the Executive proposal on that at stage 2.

As I said, other aspects of this issue were also well canvassed at stage 2. We fully support the thought process behind Fiona Hyslop's amendments, but the practicalities cause us some difficulty, and we shall therefore vote against them.

Photo of Robert Brown Robert Brown Liberal Democrat 5:00 pm, 13th June 2001

I welcome the fact that the bill deals with fuel poverty. That issue was introduced at stage 2 following representations to ministers from all sides of the chamber; it is not an issue on which there is a party political divide. There is unanimous support for the objective of eradicating fuel poverty, but we should bear in mind the fact that not all the levers to do that are in the control of the Parliament.

I will comment on two or three issues. It is easy to say that the time scale should be 10 years or eight years, rather than 15 years. However, we are talking about the application of resources to the problem and whether those resources can be put in place, organised and brought into effect within a certain time scale. The Scottish Executive has made it clear that the 15-year target is a maximum, which will be improved upon if possible as we go along and as experience dictates.

I have two concerns to raise with ministers, the first of which relates to the need for a starting definition. There was concern that the definition of fuel poverty was a moving target that would change as circumstances dictated. However, the guidance that accompanies the bill should at least include a starting definition, so that we know what we are talking about at this stage, what local authorities and the Scottish Government are trying to deal with, and where we are trying to go in broad terms.

My other concern relates to amendment 200, which, if I am not very much mistaken, encapsulates—at least in part—the terms of my original stage 2 amendment. Obviously, I think that all those points are reasonable, but I would like an assurance from ministers that the essence of those matters will be reproduced in guidance to go along with the fuel poverty strategy in due course. This is not an argument about substance; it is an argument about the detail of the matters in the bill.

Photo of Jackie Baillie Jackie Baillie Labour

As witnesses from the Scottish warm homes campaign said at stage 2, the inclusion in the bill of the commitment to tackle fuel poverty means that we are on the eve of one of the most historic commitments ever made in Scotland. Members should be absolutely clear that the partnership Administration is committed to helping those in fuel poverty. The Scottish part of the UK fuel poverty strategy and the amendments that were introduced at stage 2 by the Executive and by Karen Whitefield show that beyond doubt.

For the benefit of members, I shall recap on what the Executive has already done. We published for consultation a fuel poverty strategy, which commits us to ending the blight of fuel poverty for vulnerable households by 2010. Within that target, we will ensure that all pensioner households and tenants in the social rented sector live in a centrally heated and well-insulated home by 2006. We introduced the warm deal in July 1999, and more than 80,000 vulnerable households have benefited from home insulation to date.

We introduced the central heating programme, which will ensure that all tenants of social landlords and all pensioners have central heating and insulation within five years. We are working with local authorities to improve home energy efficiency under the Home Energy Conservation Act 1995. The new housing partnership programme will transform and improve Scotland's rented housing stock. We are also taking action to address poor housing through the index of housing quality, and we have established a housing improvement task force.

Having set the background, I turn to amendment 199, which concerns the date of commencement of the fuel poverty provisions in the bill. Our clear intention is to commence at the earliest possible opportunity, which will be around September this year. The provision is carefully worded to set a maximum period of 12 months for the publication of the statement. My intention is that the statement will be published before the summer recess next year, which will be within 12 months of the bill receiving royal assent. That timetable should satisfy any concerns that members may have about the commencement date, therefore the amendment is unnecessary.

Linda Fabiani and Robin Harper, in amendments 172 and 173, both propose dates for ending fuel poverty that are shorter than the 15-year maximum that we have set. Section 78A sets a maximum for the target date that may be included in the fuel poverty statement; the statement can include a much shorter period of time if that is appropriate. The time scale will be subject to consultation, but it would not be prudent to pick a shorter period and hope that it can be met.

Photo of Jackie Baillie Jackie Baillie Labour

I will finish the point.

We must set a target that is testing but achievable. Nothing will be gained if we set a target that is impossible to meet.

Photo of Robin Harper Robin Harper Green

Does the minister agree that it was unwise of the Labour party to put the target date of 2007 in its manifesto?

Photo of Jackie Baillie Jackie Baillie Labour

Robin Harper would not expect me to agree that anything in a Labour party manifesto is unwise; there are many gems in the Labour party manifesto. We must be clear when we set a target that we know how to achieve it. Nothing will be gained if we set a target that is impossible to achieve. There is a maximum limit of 15 years.

On Fiona Hyslop's amendment to section 78A, amendment 200, we do not think that there is any need to prescribe the measures to be covered in tackling fuel poverty. Those measures will emerge following consultation. They will probably include some of the methods that are set out in amendment 200, but they may include other measures. The way in which the bill is drafted gives us maximum flexibility to tackle fuel poverty in ways that are most effective and will most help fuel-poor households.

We need to consider home energy audits very carefully. I have asked the housing improvement task force to examine the issue in the wider context of the information that is available to house buyers and to report back.

In amendments 201 and 202, Fiona Hyslop wants to see a report on the progress that has been made in tackling fuel poverty every year, as opposed to

"at least once every 4 years", as the bill provides. I respond to that proposal very simply: the Executive believes that resources are best spent on tackling fuel poverty, rather than on permanently writing reports about it. Reports every four years will enable us to measure progress and to determine trends over a reasonable period of time.

We have set out an ambitious vision to tackle the scourge of fuel poverty. It mirrors the provisions in the Warm Homes and Energy Conservation Act 2000, which was passed in England and Wales. Our commitments have been widely welcomed. I ask the chamber to reject the amendments.

Photo of Fiona Hyslop Fiona Hyslop Scottish National Party

As someone who has called for 18 months for an amendment on fuel poverty, and who knew that the first version of the Housing (Scotland) Bill would not include anything on fuel poverty, I am delighted that the bill now includes a commitment that a statement on fuel poverty will be produced. I will not press amendment 199, as the minister has given a commitment to a September commencement, but I will press amendment 200.

On reporting annually on the progress that is made on fuel poverty, I remind the minister that a concession that we got in relation to the social justice annual report was that an indicator on fuel poverty would be included. It would be difficult for the minister to publish an annual social justice report that included an indicator on fuel poverty, if there had not been an opportunity to measure and report on progress. I will press amendments 201 and 202.

Amendment 199, by agreement, withdrawn.

[Amendment 200 moved—[Fiona Hyslop].]

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

The question is, that amendment 200 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members:

No.

Division number 42

For: Adam, Brian, Campbell, Colin, Canavan, Dennis, Crawford, Bruce, Cunningham, Roseanna, Elder, Dorothy-Grace, Ewing, Dr Winnie, Ewing, Fergus, Ewing, Mrs Margaret, Fabiani, Linda, Gibson, Mr Kenneth, Grahame, Christine, Hamilton, Mr Duncan, Harper, Robin, Hyslop, Fiona, Ingram, Mr Adam, Lochhead, Richard, MacAskill, Mr Kenny, MacDonald, Ms Margo, Marwick, Tricia, Matheson, Michael, McGugan, Irene, McLeod, Fiona, Morgan, Alasdair, Paterson, Mr Gil, Quinan, Mr Lloyd, Reid, Mr George, Robison, Shona, Sheridan, Tommy, Stevenson, Stewart, Sturgeon, Nicola, Swinney, Mr John, Ullrich, Kay, Welsh, Mr Andrew, White, Ms Sandra, Wilson, Andrew
Against: Aitken, Bill, Alexander, Ms Wendy, Baillie, Jackie, Barrie, Scott, Boyack, Sarah, Brankin, Rhona, Brown, Robert, Butler, Bill, Chisholm, Malcolm, Craigie, Cathie, Curran, Ms Margaret, Davidson, Mr David, Deacon, Susan, Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James, Eadie, Helen, Ferguson, Patricia, Fergusson, Alex, Finnie, Ross, Fitzpatrick, Brian, Gallie, Phil, Gillon, Karen, Godman, Trish, Gorrie, Donald, Grant, Rhoda, Gray, Iain, Harding, Mr Keith, Henry, Hugh, Home Robertson, Mr John, Hughes, Janis, Jackson, Dr Sylvia, Jackson, Gordon, Jamieson, Cathy, Jamieson, Margaret, Jenkins, Ian, Johnstone, Alex, Kerr, Mr Andy, Lamont, Johann, Livingstone, Marilyn, Lyon, George, Macdonald, Lewis, Macintosh, Mr Kenneth, MacKay, Angus, MacLean, Kate, Macmillan, Maureen, Martin, Paul, McAllion, Mr John, McAveety, Mr Frank, McCabe, Mr Tom, McConnell, Mr Jack, McGrigor, Mr Jamie, McIntosh, Mrs Lyndsay, McMahon, Mr Michael, McNeil, Mr Duncan, McNeill, Pauline, McNulty, Des, Morrison, Mr Alasdair, Muldoon, Bristow, Mulligan, Mrs Mary, Mundell, David, Munro, John Farquhar, Murray, Dr Elaine, Oldfather, Irene, Peacock, Peter, Peattie, Cathy, Radcliffe, Nora, Raffan, Mr Keith, Robson, Euan, Rumbles, Mr Mike, Scanlon, Mary, Scott, John, Scott, Tavish, Simpson, Dr Richard, Smith, Elaine, Smith, Iain, Smith, Mrs Margaret, Stephen, Nicol, Stone, Mr Jamie, Thomson, Elaine, Tosh, Mr Murray, Wallace, Ben, Wallace, Mr Jim, Watson, Mike, Whitefield, Karen, Wilson, Allan

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

The result of the division is: For 36, Against 84, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 200 disagreed to.

[Amendment 172 moved—[Linda Fabiani].]

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

The question is, that amendment 172 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members:

No.

Division number 43

For: Adam, Brian, Campbell, Colin, Canavan, Dennis, Crawford, Bruce, Cunningham, Roseanna, Elder, Dorothy-Grace, Ewing, Dr Winnie, Ewing, Fergus, Ewing, Mrs Margaret, Fabiani, Linda, Gibson, Mr Kenneth, Grahame, Christine, Hamilton, Mr Duncan, Harper, Robin, Hyslop, Fiona, Ingram, Mr Adam, Lochhead, Richard, MacAskill, Mr Kenny, MacDonald, Ms Margo, Marwick, Tricia, Matheson, Michael, McGugan, Irene, McLeod, Fiona, Morgan, Alasdair, Paterson, Mr Gil, Quinan, Mr Lloyd, Reid, Mr George, Robison, Shona, Russell, Michael, Stevenson, Stewart, Sturgeon, Nicola, Swinney, Mr John, Ullrich, Kay, Welsh, Mr Andrew, White, Ms Sandra, Wilson, Andrew
Against: Aitken, Bill, Alexander, Ms Wendy, Baillie, Jackie, Barrie, Scott, Boyack, Sarah, Brankin, Rhona, Brown, Robert, Butler, Bill, Chisholm, Malcolm, Craigie, Cathie, Curran, Ms Margaret, Davidson, Mr David, Deacon, Susan, Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James, Eadie, Helen, Ferguson, Patricia, Fergusson, Alex, Finnie, Ross, Fitzpatrick, Brian, Gallie, Phil, Gillon, Karen, Godman, Trish, Gorrie, Donald, Grant, Rhoda, Gray, Iain, Harding, Mr Keith, Henry, Hugh, Home Robertson, Mr John, Hughes, Janis, Jackson, Dr Sylvia, Jackson, Gordon, Jamieson, Cathy, Jamieson, Margaret, Jenkins, Ian, Johnstone, Alex, Kerr, Mr Andy, Lamont, Johann, Livingstone, Marilyn, Lyon, George, Macdonald, Lewis, Macintosh, Mr Kenneth, MacKay, Angus, MacLean, Kate, Macmillan, Maureen, Martin, Paul, McAllion, Mr John, McAveety, Mr Frank, McCabe, Mr Tom, McConnell, Mr Jack, McGrigor, Mr Jamie, McIntosh, Mrs Lyndsay, McMahon, Mr Michael, McNeil, Mr Duncan, McNeill, Pauline, McNulty, Des, Morrison, Mr Alasdair, Muldoon, Bristow, Mulligan, Mrs Mary, Mundell, David, Munro, John Farquhar, Murray, Dr Elaine, Oldfather, Irene, Peacock, Peter, Peattie, Cathy, Radcliffe, Nora, Raffan, Mr Keith, Robson, Euan, Rumbles, Mr Mike, Scanlon, Mary, Scott, Tavish, Simpson, Dr Richard, Smith, Elaine, Smith, Iain, Smith, Mrs Margaret, Stephen, Nicol, Stone, Mr Jamie, Thomson, Elaine, Tosh, Mr Murray, Wallace, Ben, Wallace, Mr Jim, Watson, Mike, Whitefield, Karen, Wilson, Allan
Abstentions: Sheridan, Tommy

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

The result of the division is: For 36, Against 83, Abstentions 1.

Amendment 172 disagreed to.

[Amendment 173 moved—[Robin Harper].]

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

The question is, that amendment 173 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members:

No.

Division number 44

For: Adam, Brian, Campbell, Colin, Canavan, Dennis, Crawford, Bruce, Cunningham, Roseanna, Elder, Dorothy-Grace, Ewing, Dr Winnie, Ewing, Fergus, Ewing, Mrs Margaret, Fabiani, Linda, Gibson, Mr Kenneth, Grahame, Christine, Hamilton, Mr Duncan, Harper, Robin, Hyslop, Fiona, Ingram, Mr Adam, Lochhead, Richard, MacAskill, Mr Kenny, MacDonald, Ms Margo, Marwick, Tricia, Matheson, Michael, McGugan, Irene, McLeod, Fiona, Morgan, Alasdair, Paterson, Mr Gil, Quinan, Mr Lloyd, Reid, Mr George, Robison, Shona, Russell, Michael, Sheridan, Tommy, Stevenson, Stewart, Sturgeon, Nicola, Swinney, Mr John, Ullrich, Kay, Welsh, Mr Andrew, White, Ms Sandra, Wilson, Andrew
Against: Aitken, Bill, Alexander, Ms Wendy, Baillie, Jackie, Barrie, Scott, Boyack, Sarah, Brankin, Rhona, Brown, Robert, Butler, Bill, Chisholm, Malcolm, Craigie, Cathie, Curran, Ms Margaret, Davidson, Mr David, Deacon, Susan, Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James, Eadie, Helen, Ferguson, Patricia, Fergusson, Alex, Finnie, Ross, Fitzpatrick, Brian, Gallie, Phil, Gillon, Karen, Godman, Trish, Gorrie, Donald, Grant, Rhoda, Gray, Iain, Harding, Mr Keith, Henry, Hugh, Home Robertson, Mr John, Hughes, Janis, Jackson, Dr Sylvia, Jackson, Gordon, Jamieson, Cathy, Jamieson, Margaret, Jenkins, Ian, Johnstone, Alex, Kerr, Mr Andy, Lamont, Johann, Livingstone, Marilyn, Lyon, George, Macdonald, Lewis, Macintosh, Mr Kenneth, MacKay, Angus, MacLean, Kate, Macmillan, Maureen, Martin, Paul, McAllion, Mr John, McAveety, Mr Frank, McCabe, Mr Tom, McGrigor, Mr Jamie, McIntosh, Mrs Lyndsay, McMahon, Mr Michael, McNeil, Mr Duncan, McNeill, Pauline, McNulty, Des, Morrison, Mr Alasdair, Muldoon, Bristow, Mulligan, Mrs Mary, Mundell, David, Munro, John Farquhar, Murray, Dr Elaine, Oldfather, Irene, Peacock, Peter, Peattie, Cathy, Radcliffe, Nora, Raffan, Mr Keith, Robson, Euan, Rumbles, Mr Mike, Scanlon, Mary, Scott, John, Scott, Tavish, Simpson, Dr Richard, Smith, Elaine, Smith, Iain, Smith, Mrs Margaret, Stephen, Nicol, Stone, Mr Jamie, Thomson, Elaine, Tosh, Mr Murray, Wallace, Ben, Wallace, Mr Jim, Watson, Mike, Whitefield, Karen, Wilson, Allan

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

The result of the division is: For 37, Against 83, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 173 disagreed to.

[Amendment 201 moved—[Fiona Hyslop].]

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

The question is, that amendment 201 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members:

No.

Division number 45

For: Adam, Brian, Campbell, Colin, Canavan, Dennis, Crawford, Bruce, Cunningham, Roseanna, Elder, Dorothy-Grace, Ewing, Dr Winnie, Ewing, Fergus, Ewing, Mrs Margaret, Fabiani, Linda, Gibson, Mr Kenneth, Grahame, Christine, Hamilton, Mr Duncan, Harper, Robin, Hyslop, Fiona, Ingram, Mr Adam, Lochhead, Richard, MacAskill, Mr Kenny, MacDonald, Ms Margo, Marwick, Tricia, Matheson, Michael, McGugan, Irene, McLeod, Fiona, Morgan, Alasdair, Paterson, Mr Gil, Quinan, Mr Lloyd, Reid, Mr George, Robison, Shona, Russell, Michael, Sheridan, Tommy, Stevenson, Stewart, Sturgeon, Nicola, Swinney, Mr John, Ullrich, Kay, Welsh, Mr Andrew, White, Ms Sandra
Against: Aitken, Bill, Alexander, Ms Wendy, Baillie, Jackie, Barrie, Scott, Boyack, Sarah, Brankin, Rhona, Brown, Robert, Butler, Bill, Chisholm, Malcolm, Craigie, Cathie, Curran, Ms Margaret, Davidson, Mr David, Deacon, Susan, Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James, Eadie, Helen, Ferguson, Patricia, Fergusson, Alex, Finnie, Ross, Fitzpatrick, Brian, Gallie, Phil, Gillon, Karen, Godman, Trish, Gorrie, Donald, Grant, Rhoda, Gray, Iain, Harding, Mr Keith, Henry, Hugh, Home Robertson, Mr John, Hughes, Janis, Jackson, Dr Sylvia, Jackson, Gordon, Jamieson, Cathy, Jamieson, Margaret, Jenkins, Ian, Johnstone, Alex, Kerr, Mr Andy, Lamont, Johann, Livingstone, Marilyn, Macdonald, Lewis, Macintosh, Mr Kenneth, MacKay, Angus, MacLean, Kate, Macmillan, Maureen, Martin, Paul, McAllion, Mr John, McAveety, Mr Frank, McCabe, Mr Tom, McConnell, Mr Jack, McGrigor, Mr Jamie, McIntosh, Mrs Lyndsay, McMahon, Mr Michael, McNeil, Mr Duncan, McNeill, Pauline, McNulty, Des, Morrison, Mr Alasdair, Muldoon, Bristow, Mulligan, Mrs Mary, Mundell, David, Munro, John Farquhar, Murray, Dr Elaine, Oldfather, Irene, Peacock, Peter, Peattie, Cathy, Radcliffe, Nora, Raffan, Mr Keith, Robson, Euan, Rumbles, Mr Mike, Scanlon, Mary, Scott, John, Scott, Tavish, Simpson, Dr Richard, Smith, Elaine, Smith, Iain, Smith, Mrs Margaret, Stephen, Nicol, Stone, Mr Jamie, Thomson, Elaine, Tosh, Mr Murray, Wallace, Ben, Wallace, Mr Jim, Watson, Mike, Whitefield, Karen, Wilson, Allan

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

The result of the division is: For 36, Against 83, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 201 disagreed to.

[Amendment 202 moved—[Fiona Hyslop].]

Members:

No.

Division number 46

For: Adam, Brian, Canavan, Dennis, Crawford, Bruce, Cunningham, Roseanna, Elder, Dorothy-Grace, Ewing, Dr Winnie, Ewing, Fergus, Ewing, Mrs Margaret, Fabiani, Linda, Gibson, Mr Kenneth, Grahame, Christine, Hamilton, Mr Duncan, Harper, Robin, Hyslop, Fiona, Ingram, Mr Adam, Lochhead, Richard, MacAskill, Mr Kenny, MacDonald, Ms Margo, Marwick, Tricia, Matheson, Michael, McGugan, Irene, McLeod, Fiona, Morgan, Alasdair, Paterson, Mr Gil, Quinan, Mr Lloyd, Reid, Mr George, Robison, Shona, Russell, Michael, Sheridan, Tommy, Stevenson, Stewart, Sturgeon, Nicola, Swinney, Mr John, Ullrich, Kay, Welsh, Mr Andrew, White, Ms Sandra, Wilson, Andrew
Against: Aitken, Bill, Alexander, Ms Wendy, Baillie, Jackie, Barrie, Scott, Boyack, Sarah, Brankin, Rhona, Brown, Robert, Butler, Bill, Chisholm, Malcolm, Craigie, Cathie, Curran, Ms Margaret, Davidson, Mr David, Deacon, Susan, Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James, Eadie, Helen, Ferguson, Patricia, Fergusson, Alex, Finnie, Ross, Fitzpatrick, Brian, Gallie, Phil, Gillon, Karen, Godman, Trish, Gorrie, Donald, Grant, Rhoda, Gray, Iain, Harding, Mr Keith, Henry, Hugh, Home Robertson, Mr John, Hughes, Janis, Jackson, Dr Sylvia, Jackson, Gordon, Jamieson, Cathy, Jamieson, Margaret, Jenkins, Ian, Johnstone, Alex, Kerr, Mr Andy, Lamont, Johann, Livingstone, Marilyn, Lyon, George, Macdonald, Lewis, Macintosh, Mr Kenneth, MacKay, Angus, MacLean, Kate, Macmillan, Maureen, Martin, Paul, McAllion, Mr John, McAveety, Mr Frank, McCabe, Mr Tom, McConnell, Mr Jack, McGrigor, Mr Jamie, McIntosh, Mrs Lyndsay, McMahon, Mr Michael, McNeil, Mr Duncan, McNeill, Pauline, McNulty, Des, Morrison, Mr Alasdair, Muldoon, Bristow, Mulligan, Mrs Mary, Mundell, David, Munro, John Farquhar, Murray, Dr Elaine, Oldfather, Irene, Peacock, Peter, Peattie, Cathy, Radcliffe, Nora, Raffan, Mr Keith, Robson, Euan, Rumbles, Mr Mike, Scanlon, Mary, Scott, Tavish, Simpson, Dr Richard, Smith, Elaine, Smith, Iain, Smith, Mrs Margaret, Stephen, Nicol, Stone, Mr Jamie, Thomson, Elaine, Tosh, Mr Murray, Wallace, Ben, Wallace, Mr Jim, Whitefield, Karen, Wilson, Allan

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

The result of the division is: For 36, Against 82, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 202 disagreed to.