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– in the Scottish Parliament at 5:01 pm on 30th September 1999.

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Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament 5:01 pm, 30th September 1999

There are six questions to be put as a result of today's business.

The first question is, that amendment S1M-172.1, in the name of Mr Sam Galbraith, which seeks to amend S1M-172, in the name of Mr Alex Salmond, on education, be agreed to. Are we all agreed?

Members:

No.

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

In that case, there will be a division. Those members who wish to support Mr Galbraith's amendment should vote yes. The voting time starts now.

Division number 1

For: Alexander, Ms Wendy, Baillie, Jackie, Barrie, Scott, Brankin, Rhona, Brown, Robert, Chisholm, Malcolm, Craigie, Cathie, Curran, Ms Margaret, Deacon, Susan, Dewar, Donald, Eadie, Helen, Ferguson, Ms Patricia, Finnie, Ross, Galbraith, Mr Sam, Godman, Trish, Grant, Rhoda, Gray, Iain, Henry, Hugh, Home Robertson, Mr John, Hughes, Janis, Jackson, Dr Sylvia, Jackson, Gordon, Jenkins, Ian, Kerr, Mr Andy, Lamont, Johann, Lyon, George, Macdonald, Lewis, Macintosh, Mr Kenneth, MacLean, Kate, Macmillan, Maureen, Martin, Paul, McAllion, Mr John, McAveety, Mr Frank, McCabe, Mr Tom, McConnell, Mr Jack, McLeish, Henry, McMahon, Mr Michael, McNeil, Mr Duncan, McNeill, Pauline, Morrison, Mr Alasdair, Mulligan, Mrs Mary, Murray, Dr Elaine, Oldfather, Ms Irene, Peacock, Peter, Peattie, Cathy, Radcliffe, Nora, Raffan, Mr Keith, Robson, Euan, Rumbles, Mr Mike, Scott, Tavish, Simpson, Dr Richard, Smith, Elaine, Smith, Margaret, Stephen, Nicol, Stone, Mr Jamie, Thomson, Elaine, Wallace, Mr Jim, Watson, Mike
Against: Adam, Brian, Aitken, Bill, Campbell, Colin, Canavan, Dennis, Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James, Elder, Dorothy-Grace, Ewing, Dr Winnie, Ewing, Fergus, Ewing, Mrs Margaret, Fabiani, Linda, Fergusson, Alex, Gallie, Phil, Gibson, Mr Kenneth, Goldie, Miss Annabel, Grahame, Christine, Harding, Mr Keith, Harper, Robin, Ingram, Mr Adam, Johnston, Mr Nick, Johnstone, Alex, McGrigor, Mr Jamie, McIntosh, Mrs Lyndsay, McLeod, Fiona, McLetchie, David, Monteith, Mr Brian, Morgan, Alasdair, Mundell, David, Neil, Alex, Paterson, Mr Gil, Quinan, Mr Lloyd, Reid, Mr George, Robison, Shona, Russell, Michael, Salmond, Mr Alex, Scanlon, Mary, Smith, Iain, Sturgeon, Nicola, Swinney, Mr John, Tosh, Mr Murray, Ullrich, Kay, Wallace, Ben, Welsh, Mr Andrew, White, Ms Sandra, Wilson, Andrew, Young, John

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

The result is as follows: For 58, Against 45.

Amendment agreed to.

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

The second amendment, S1M-172.2, therefore falls as a result of the rewording of the motion.

We move to the third question, which is, that motion S1M-172, in the name of Mr Alex Salmond, on education, as amended, be agreed to. Are we all agreed?

Members:

No.

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

There are some noes, so there will be a division. Those members who want to support the motion, as amended, should vote yes.

Division number 2

For: Alexander, Ms Wendy, Baillie, Jackie, Barrie, Scott, Brankin, Rhona, Brown, Robert, Chisholm, Malcolm, Craigie, Cathie, Curran, Ms Margaret, Deacon, Susan, Dewar, Donald, Eadie, Helen, Ferguson, Ms Patricia, Finnie, Ross, Galbraith, Mr Sam, Godman, Trish, Grant, Rhoda, Gray, Iain, Henry, Hugh, Home Robertson, Mr John, Hughes, Janis, Jackson, Dr Sylvia, Jackson, Gordon, Jenkins, Ian, Kerr, Mr Andy, Lamont, Johann, Lyon, George, Macdonald, Lewis, Macintosh, Mr Kenneth, MacLean, Kate, Macmillan, Maureen, Martin, Paul, McAllion, Mr John, McAveety, Mr Frank, McCabe, Mr Tom, McConnell, Mr Jack, McLeish, Henry, McMahon, Mr Michael, McNeil, Mr Duncan, McNeill, Pauline, Morrison, Mr Alasdair, Mulligan, Mrs Mary, Murray, Dr Elaine, Oldfather, Ms Irene, Peacock, Peter, Peattie, Cathy, Radcliffe, Nora, Raffan, Mr Keith, Robson, Euan, Rumbles, Mr Mike, Scott, Tavish, Simpson, Dr Richard, Smith, Elaine, Smith, Iain, Smith, Margaret, Stephen, Nicol, Stone, Mr Jamie, Thomson, Elaine, Wallace, Mr Jim, Watson, Mike
Against: Adam, Brian, Campbell, Colin, Canavan, Dennis, Elder, Dorothy-Grace, Ewing, Dr Winnie, Ewing, Fergus, Ewing, Mrs Margaret, Fabiani, Linda, Fergusson, Alex, Gibson, Mr Kenneth, Grahame, Christine, Harding, Mr Keith, Harper, Robin, Ingram, Mr Adam, Johnstone, Alex, McIntosh, Mrs Lyndsay, McLeod, Fiona, McLetchie, David, Morgan, Alasdair, Neil, Alex, Paterson, Mr Gil, Quinan, Mr Lloyd, Reid, Mr George, Robison, Shona, Russell, Michael, Salmond, Mr Alex, Scanlon, Mary, Sturgeon, Nicola, Swinney, Mr John, Ullrich, Kay, Wallace, Ben, Welsh, Mr Andrew, White, Ms Sandra, Wilson, Andrew
Abstentions: Aitken, Bill, Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James, Gallie, Phil, Goldie, Miss Annabel, Johnston, Mr Nick, McGrigor, Mr Jamie, Monteith, Mr Brian, Mundell, David, Tosh, Mr Murray, Young, John

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

The result is as follows: For 59, Against 34, Abstentions 10.

Motion, as amended, agreed to.

That the Parliament supports the Executive's intention to earn a world class reputation for the Scottish education system; calls upon the Executive to ensure that all children get the best start in life by maximising pupil attainment; welcomes the provision of substantial new resources for education including an additional £51m for school education identified in the Partnership Agreement; agrees that the quality of education in our schools depends on the professionalism and commitment of teachers; recognises the high standards and dedication of Scottish teachers; endorses the Executive's commitment to a programme of continuous professional development to assist teachers in maintaining and improving professional standards; agrees that the Scottish Joint Negotiation Committee machinery has failed Scottish teachers, pupils and parents, and calls upon the Executive to continue work towards its objective of ensuring a modern, adaptive and flexible mechanism for determining the professional conditions of service for teachers in Scotland's schools through the appointment of an independent Committee of Inquiry.

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

The next question is, that motion S1M-155, in the name of Mr Jack McConnell, on the general principles of the Public Finance and Accountability (Scotland) Bill, be agreed to.

Motion agreed to.

That the Parliament agrees to the general principles of the Public Finance and Accountability (Scotland) Bill.

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

The fifth question is that motion S1M-144, in the name of Mr Jack McConnell, on the financial resolution, be agreed to.

Motion agreed to.

That the Parliament, for the purposes of any Act of the Scottish Parliament resulting from the Public Finance and Accountability (Scotland) Bill, agrees to—

(a) the following expenditure payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund

(i) expenditure of the Scottish Administration and Audit Scotland in consequence of the Act, and

(ii) increases attributable to the Act in the sums payable out of the Fund by or under any other Act,

(b) payments into the Fund and to the Scottish Ministers, and

(c) charges imposed by Audit Scotland in respect of the exercise of its functions.

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

The next question is, that motion S1M-176, in the name of Tom McCabe, be agreed to.

Motion agreed to.

That the Parliament agrees the following designation of Lead Committee— The Education Culture and Sport Committee to consider the Educational Development, Research and Services (Scotland) Grant Regulations 1999 (SSI 1999/65).

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

That concludes decision time. We now move to members' business.

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

The member can raise a point of order if it is genuine.

Photo of Alex Neil Alex Neil Scottish National Party

I believe that it is—I would not raise it otherwise. At 11.30 am tomorrow the First Minister and the Secretary of State for Scotland are giving a press conference at which five concordats will be published. Some of that information has apparently been leaked to the press already. Would not it be in order to ensure that members of this Parliament had copies of the five concordats before the press?

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

That is not a point of order for me; it is a point of practice for the Executive. The Parliament will debate the concordats next week. I have not been told when they will be available to us, but no doubt the point has been noted. We now move to motion S1M-140.

Photo of John Swinney John Swinney Scottish National Party

It is a point that arises from that made by Mr Neil. Will those documents be available to members of this Parliament at 11.30 am tomorrow? It is a clear question, and we are entitled to an answer if they are being released to the press tomorrow.

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

The point that I made is that that is not an answer which the member can get from me, as I know no more than he does about when the documents will be ready. Can Mr Smith enlighten us?

Photo of Iain Smith Iain Smith Liberal Democrat

I can advise the chamber that the concordats will be published and available to members at the same time as they are released to the press conference.

Photo of Lord David Steel Lord David Steel Presiding Officer, Scottish Parliament

That is extremely helpful. Thank you, Mr Smith. I hope that that keeps everyone happy.