10. Voting Time

– in the Senedd at 5:47 pm on 24 September 2025.

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Photo of David Rees David Rees Labour 5:47, 24 September 2025

(Translated)

We will vote on item 9, the Welsh Conservatives debate on the NHS, and I call for a vote on the motion without Amendment tabled in the name of Paul Davies. If the proposal is not agreed, we will vote on the amendments tabled to the motion. Open the vote.

Photo of David Rees David Rees Labour

No, Ken is not on a train, I'm pretty sure of that. Cabinet Secretary, you're not travelling, are you?

Photo of David Rees David Rees Labour

(Translated)

Close the vote. [Inaudible.]

(Translated)

Item 9. Welsh Conservatives Debate - The NHS. Motion without amendment: For: 15, Against: 34, Abstain: 0

Motion has been rejected

Division number 6447 Item 9. Welsh Conservatives Debate - The NHS. Motion without amendment

Aye: 15 MSs

No: 34 MSs

Aye: A-Z by last name

No: A-Z by last name

Absent: 10 MSs

Absent: A-Z by last name

Photo of David Rees David Rees Labour 5:48, 24 September 2025

(Translated)

[Inaudible.]—Amendment 2 will be deselected. Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 25, no abstentions, 24 against. Therefore, amendment 1 is agreed.

(Translated)

Item 9. Welsh Conservatives Debate - The NHS. Amendment 1, tabled in the name of Jane Hutt: For: 25, Against: 24, Abstain: 0

Amendment has been agreed

Division number 6448 Item 9. Welsh Conservatives Debate - The NHS. Amendment 1, tabled in the name of Jane Hutt

Aye: 25 MSs

No: 24 MSs

No: A-Z by last name

Absent: 10 MSs

Absent: A-Z by last name

(Translated)

Amendment 2 deselected.

Photo of David Rees David Rees Labour 5:49, 24 September 2025

(Translated)

I now call for a vote on the motion as amended. 

(Translated)

Motion NDM8984 as amended:

To propose that the Senedd:

1. Reaffirms that the Welsh NHS should always remain free at the point of delivery, publicly funded, and not replaced by an insurance-based system.

2. Welcomes the additional £120 million funding to eliminate all two-year waits and reduce the overall size of the waiting list by the end of March 2026. 

3. Welcomes action to prevent more cancer deaths by launching a national targeted lung cancer screening programme in Wales and increasing access to bowel cancer screening. 

Notes: 

a) long waits of more than two years for treatment are now 88.6 per cent lower than their peak in March 2022; and 

b) the average waiting time for treatment is just over 21 weeks.

Photo of David Rees David Rees Labour 5:49, 24 September 2025

(Translated)

Open the vote. Close the vote. In favour 24, no abstentions and 25 against. Therefore, the motion as amended is not agreed.

Photo of David Rees David Rees Labour 5:50, 24 September 2025

So, just to clarify, the motion as amended did not pass.

(Translated)

Item 9. Welsh Conservatives Debate - The NHS. Motion as amended: For: 24, Against: 25, Abstain: 0

Motion as amended has been rejected

Division number 6449 Item 9. Welsh Conservatives Debate - The NHS. Motion as amended

Aye: 24 MSs

No: 25 MSs

No: A-Z by last name

Absent: 10 MSs

Absent: A-Z by last name

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Amendment

As a bill passes through Parliament, MPs and peers may suggest amendments - or changes - which they believe will improve the quality of the legislation.

Many hundreds of amendments are proposed by members to major bills as they pass through committee stage, report stage and third reading in both Houses of Parliament.

In the end only a handful of amendments will be incorporated into any bill.

The Speaker - or the chairman in the case of standing committees - has the power to select which amendments should be debated.