In my positive vision of an independent Wales, of course, we wouldn't need to have this debate, because every normal nation has its system of prisons and policing and a justice system all of its own. It seems strange having to state the obvious there. And I know that I have some work in convincing more people of the end point of that constitutional journey, but it is a journey that we're on. This isn't salami slicing, Mike, and I'm a little bit disappointed in those comments, because we are talking about something that is at the heart of our future as a nation.