Mr Robert Cant: Discounting the de Gaullist sentiments contained in Question No. 11, may I ask my right hon. Friend whether he does not find it strange that the Governor of the Bank of England thinks that foreign investment is absolutely vital, whereas Mr. Catherwood of N.E.D.C. thinks that capital investment abroad is the source of all our problems?
Mr Jo Grimond: ..., for example, to accept such things as the voting system in the Community and that the right hon. Gentleman is talking about the Community as we know it exists and not about a different type of Gaullist organisation which might be brought into being? I take it that the expression of solidarity means acceptance of the ideals of the E.E.C. and of its basic principle. If so, I am glad to...
Mr Geoffrey De Freitas: ...our allies, including the Canadians and Americans. At the various meetings, such as the W.E.U. and the N.A.T.O. Parliamentarians Conference, it has been only the French delegates belonging to the Gaullist party who have not advocated the integration of all military forces in N.A.T.O. Yesterday my hon. Friend the Member for Ashfield (Mr. Warbey) asked the Secretary of State for Defence:...
Mr Denis Healey: ...her military capability altogether outside Europe, or is it those who want to continue to play a rôle in supporting the Commonwealth overseas? Is it those who want to stay in Europe, who want a Gaullist policy, like the right hon. Member for Preston, North (Mr. J. Amery) and the right hon. Gentleman himself, or is it those who want a Common Market policy? We have got absolutely no clue...
Mr Dennis Walters: ...Community until 1968, when the Customs Union would be complete, a common policy in operation and the three committees fused. I believe that it is wrong for us to try to wait until the end of the de Gaullist era. We must start putting forward practical suggestions now. I shall mention some of these later. I should like to refer to the possibility that the result of the French elections may...
Sir Peter Kirk: ...we realise that any solution to this problem posed in purely European or Atlantic terms is bound to fail, for this problem, like many another, is global. I am not, as the House knows, I think, a Gaullist in any sense of the word, but General de Gaulle has pointed out to us more than once with his unshakeable logic that we are just as much likely to be blown up by a nuclear holocaust which...
Mr Jo Grimond: ...that there was no discussion on Britain entering the Common Market. May I ask the Prime Minister whether that is correct? Would he make clear that the type of Europe we have in mind is not a Gaullist Europe?
Mr Jo Grimond: ...and that in the defence field we are prepared to coperate deeply both over conventional and nuclear weapons. But we should make clear that when we say that we are not looking for a Third Force or a Gaullist Europe and that we mean to do this within the context of N.A.T.O. There is another matter which I do not think the Prime Minister should himself raise with President de Gaulle, but one...
Mr Peter Thorneycroft: ..., as I have become familiar with it. They approximate closely to the views of General Ailleret. They pin the conventional rôle to what is ambiguous, unprepared and miscalculated. This strategy is Gaullist in its approach. I do not say that it is necessarily wrong. I am not criticising the right hon. Gentleman; I am stating the factual rôle. It may come from a surprising quarter. But I...
Mr Denis Healey: ...into the MLF, if only because the alternative of what would, in effect, be a joint U.S.-German venture in the nuclear field is unacceptable. This is the crude reality behind the pseudo-Gaullist braggadocio of the right hon. Member for Monmouth in our last debate. The right hon. Gentleman may have bamboozled his own back benchers—[HON. MEMBERS: "That is not difficult."]—that is not...
Mr Harold Wilson: .... Certainly, if vigour and exuberance are the test, he is bidding fair—I am very glad about this—to get into the "top three". I am bound to say that my money is, and always has been, on the Gaullist wing of the party against the Poujadist view of the former President of the Board of Trade. But I am glad to see that the right hon. Gentleman is moving up. The right hon. Gentleman put a...
Mr William Hamling: ...the nation into a crisis. We know this afternoon who has been talking the nation into a crisis during the last week—those Members on the benches opposite. I suggest that it is some of the "de Gaullist deputies" opposite who paint a black picture of the country abroad. This afternoon concern has been expressed for E.F.T.A. This is new. Was any concern for E.F.T.A. shown in 1962 and 1963,...
Mr Peter Thorneycroft: ...by France. I want to say something about the French position. It is a common fate of almost anyone who supports the position of France in any respect at this moment to be called an English Gaullist, which is said to be a term of abuse. But in all sincerity I say that the defence of Europe without the defence of France is a military nonsense. When the right hon. Gentleman who is...
Mr John Biffen: ...against which the Government's success will be measured. These are, first, its ability to seize opportunities in Europe—particularly at a moment at which the future of the Common Market and the Gaullist policy are in a state of flux—and, secondly, their success, not in expanding the area of centralised planning, but in expanding areas of competition in the economy at home. I wish them...
Mr Richard Marsh: ...Of course, hon. and right hon. Gentlemen opposite do not really believe that public ownership is bad for the nation. Every modern industrial nation today has a large public sector. This is true in Gaullist France. It is true in Italy. It is true in Britain under this Conservative Government. It is true in every industrial modern nation. Why, then, do they run this constant campaign?
Mr Richard Marsh: I think that both sides of the Committee will have been fascinated by what has happened within the last few moments—indeed, not only fascinated by it, but rather worried by the Gaullist obstinacy of the right hon. Gentleman who refuses point blank to recognise that he is pushing through a highly controversial Measure which does not have the support of either side of the Committee or,...
Mr Patrick Gordon Walker: ...American solidarity and American perfidy, and it seems to me extraordinary that the Prime Minister used that argument. The Government case for maintaining the independent nuclear deterrent is the Gaullist case without the logic and consistency of General de Gaulle. General de Gaulle knows that if one wants an independent nuclear weapon one must stay in the missile race. One must not...
Mr Denis Healey: ...should continue to attempt to maintain an independent nuclear deterrent. It is possible that when this debate is carried on in the House and in the country the House and the country may opt for the Gaullist policy. I do not believe it will, in that there is evidence that even the French people are turning against that policy if we are to judge by recent opinion polls in France. I suggest...
Mr William Worsley: ...told that there was a conflict between wishing for a richer and more successful European Community and helping overseas countries. I believe that to be profoundly and absolutely untrue. The de Gaullist policy at the moment dominant in the Community is contrary to what we were seeking, but what we were trying to get in our Brussels negotiations was just this pursuit of trading policy...
Mr Patrick Gordon Walker: ..., of the European Economic Community as a sort of separate military alliance and the belief that one cannot have neutrals in it because it has all sorts of political obligations is the essential Gaullist heresy and error. This is what we must resist in all its forms. We cannot have a N.A.T.O. which is made up of two different separate things. This has in it the very dangerous implication...
