Sir Rolf Williams: I want to answer the scandalous allegation that was made by the Attorney-General against scientists and engineers of Britain. He said in the course of his speech that it was necessary for the Ministry of Technology to be brought within the scope of this Bill because this country is lagging behind the scientific development in the whole of Europe. I have never heard a more disgraceful...
Sir Rolf Williams: On a point of order. In view of the fact that there was some confusion, could the Question be put again?
Sir Rolf Williams: Will the right hon. Gentleman inquire of the Colonial Secretary as to whether he put up his Parliamentary Private Secretary to ask this Question?
Sir Rolf Williams: Does the right hon. Gentleman realise that he has tremendous sympathy from this side of the House in having to resist the remarks that are made by the hon. Member for Fife, West (Mr. William Hamilton)? Is he aware that we also sympathise with him in having to deal with South Africa on this important topic, in view of the irritation caused to that country by the Prime Minister himself?
Sir Rolf Williams: I must confess that I never thought that the hon. Member for the Western Isles (Mr. Malcolm MacMillan) would finish his speech by referring to the Suez operation. I should have thought that the behaviour of the Labour Party at that time was something which it would want to forget. I wish to address my remarks, strange to relate, to the Clause. It is clear, without doubt, that a considerable...
Sir Rolf Williams: I was referring to the remarks which have been made in the debate, Sir Herbert. I thought that we were entitled to exchange views and to defend ourselves. It is my case—and if you had allowed me to continue it would have become apparent—that the Government's policy in raising Income Tax is exactly the same policy which they used when they were last in power. It led not only to...
Sir Rolf Williams: I am not giving way to the hon. Gentleman till I have finished what I have to say. The rate of inflation when the Labour Party was in power was 6 per cent. per annum. When we were in power it was 2½ per cent. Now the hon. Gentleman can have his say.
Sir Rolf Williams: They must have a very elementary knowledge of economics in the Hebrides. That is the only way the hon. Gentleman can get away with this sort of thing. In fact, it was because the Labour Party had mismanaged the country's affairs, and it will do exactly the same now. One of the great mistakes that the Government are making is to raise the standard rate of Income Tax.
Sir Rolf Williams: I am not giving way. The hon. Gentleman has had one go. He can sit down and listen to me for a bit. I have got quite a lot to say, and I do not want to take too long, because I know that some hon. Gentlemen opposite want to get some sleep tonight. As I said, out of all this money which will come from the pockets of the people due to the rise in the standard rate of Income Tax, some will go...
Sir Rolf Williams: I was talking to an industrialist this morning who is having a tremendous battle in the export field, and of whose production 72 per cent. goes for export, and he said that 30 prices had risen last Friday. That is the effect of the policy of the Government. What is the position of the old-age pensioner? By the time he gets his benefits one thing is certain—the pension he is getting today...
Sir Rolf Williams: Very difficult!
Sir Rolf Williams: On a point of order. Sir Samuel, I heard the hon. Gentleman making disparaging remarks about the Chair. Is that in order?
Sir Rolf Williams: asked the Minister of Housing and Local Government what steps he porposes to take to lessen the burden of rates.
Sir Rolf Williams: Does not the hon. Gentleman realise that it is not so much the movement of science graduates from Scotland that matters but the flood of graduates who will be moving from this country to the United States if the Concord project is dropped?
Sir Rolf Williams: While appreciating the courtesy of the right hon. Gentleman in his reply to my right hon. Friend the Leader of the Opposition, am I to assume from his remarks that if, after the Budget Resolutions are known, there is a demand by the Opposition for an extension of time for debate on them, it will be granted?
Sir Rolf Williams: Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Sir Rolf Williams: Tell us about the scientific break-through.
Sir Rolf Williams: I am very glad to have paid the hon. Member the debt that I owed him. He offered me three-to-one against the Tory Party. We nearly won. It was a worth-while bet. The point that I want to make to him is that this Government got into power on the basis that they would nurture science and give a great progressive look to this country. The first thing that they have done is to destroy the finest...
Sir Rolf Williams: May I put in a plea for private Members?
Sir Rolf Williams: That was only the preface of my remarks. I was going on to say—[HON. MEMBERS: "Object."] I thought that I would get the House in the right mood.