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Results 161–180 of 650 for (in the 'Commons debates' OR in the 'Westminster Hall debates' OR in the 'Lords debates' OR in the 'Northern Ireland Assembly debates') speaker:Baroness Harris of Richmond

Policing and Crime Bill: Committee (1st Day) (Continued) (22 Jun 2009)

Baroness Harris of Richmond: Amendments 42 and 44 stand in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Miller, although they also stand alongside related proposals on whether Clauses 11 and 12 should stand part. Both amendments are intended to modernise the operation of regulation and order-making powers under Sections 53 and 57 of the Police Act 1996, to bring them into line with more recent legislation exemplified by...

Policing and Crime Bill: Committee (1st Day) (Continued) (22 Jun 2009)

Baroness Harris of Richmond: I thank the Minister for that response. However, I would have thought that HMIC would have the ability to seek out those with greater knowledge than he or she has on a particular piece of kit. But I hear what the Minister says, and I do not think that we will get any further on this. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 42 withdrawn. Amendment 43 Moved by Baroness Hanham 43:...

Policing and Crime Bill: Committee (1st Day) (22 Jun 2009)

Baroness Harris of Richmond: These Benches are minded to support this amendment. It seems to be a good idea. It would be very useful to know how collaboration is working between forces. We hope that it works well as we certainly would not want to go down the merger route again. I have a question for the noble Baroness if she is willing to answer it. Is she able to clarify that the amendment would apply to each person who...

Policing and Crime Bill: Committee (1st Day) (22 Jun 2009)

Baroness Harris of Richmond: Amendments 31, 32, 34 and 35 in this group stand in my name, and I will deal with each in turn as quickly as I can. Amendment 31 is relatively straightforward and would ensure that the Secretary of State had to consult the APA and ACPO before issuing guidance about collaboration. That is only common sense, as they are the bodies responsible at national level for the other legs of the...

Policing and Crime Bill: Committee (1st Day) (22 Jun 2009)

Baroness Harris of Richmond: I have added my name to this amendment. There is no need for me to reiterate what the noble Baroness, Lady Henig, has said. I share her concern about the Bill making an absolute separation between operational agreements by forces and support services by police authorities. It would be very helpful if that distinction could be cleared up.

Policing and Crime Bill: Committee (1st Day) (22 Jun 2009)

Baroness Harris of Richmond: Amendment 36A in this grouping is intended to assist collaboration and make its operation easier and more effective. At the risk of boring the Committee to death, to explain how this helps I need to address some of the complexities of local government legislation and some of the history of police authorities. At present, unlike other local government bodies, a police authority is not allowed...

Policing and Crime Bill: Committee (1st Day) (22 Jun 2009)

Baroness Harris of Richmond: Once again, I am afraid that we return to the wide-ranging powers of the Secretary of State in the Bill. This provision is unnecessary and is more likely to kill collaboration than encourage it. First, police authorities must already report collaboration agreements to the Secretary of State as efficiencies in one form or another, largely through their policing plans, which must still be...

Policing and Crime Bill: Committee (1st Day) (22 Jun 2009)

Baroness Harris of Richmond: I thank the Minister as well as the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, who asked a range of relevant questions about collaboration. In my area, North Yorkshire, a very large rural area crossing the whole of England almost at the top of the country, we collaborate with West Yorkshire, Humberside and South Yorkshire. That is an enormous region. Is it then considered necessary for that huge rural area...

Policing and Crime Bill: Committee (1st Day) (22 Jun 2009)

Baroness Harris of Richmond: The Government "being aware of" and the Government "interfering with" are perhaps two different things. I will read carefully what the Minister has said. We still might come back to this on Report, but for now I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 25 withdrawn. Amendment 26 Moved by Baroness Hanham 26: Clause 5, page 7, leave out lines 1 to 3

Policing and Crime Bill: Committee (1st Day) (22 Jun 2009)

Baroness Harris of Richmond: The amendment is connected to the debate that we have just had about ultimate accountability for ensuring that collaboration happens. This clause did not appear when the Bill was first published; an even more draconian variant was included at the Committee stage in the other place. This was subsequently replaced at the Report stage and Third Reading with the current wording, for which much...

Policing and Crime Bill: Committee (1st Day) (22 Jun 2009)

Baroness Harris of Richmond: Amendments 23 and 24 are interdependent, and I shall outline briefly why I think they are desirable. Collaboration in a policing context is a complex business, as many of your Lordships have gathered from our preceding debates about responsibility and governance. At the heart of this lies a tension between lines of control and lines of accountability under what are, essentially, joint...

Policing and Crime Bill: Committee (1st Day) (22 Jun 2009)

Baroness Harris of Richmond: I am most grateful to the Minister. Including this information in guidance is the appropriate way forward. As he said, it will be placed in Hansard so that everyone will be able to see what the intention is. I am most grateful to him and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 23 withdrawn. Amendment 24 not moved. Amendment 25 Moved by Baroness Harris of Richmond 25: Clause 5, page...

Policing and Crime Bill: Committee (1st Day) (22 Jun 2009)

Baroness Harris of Richmond: Amendment 21 is grouped with Amendment 19. As the noble Baroness, Lady Henig, has just pointed out, the two amendments are related. The noble Baroness has already spoken about the background to the amendments, so I will not repeat it. I agree with her that the Bill needs to be clear about where the ultimate accountability rests in order to ensure collaboration. I also agree with her that this...

Policing and Crime Bill: Committee (1st Day) (22 Jun 2009)

Baroness Harris of Richmond: I have a great deal of sympathy with the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours, but in effect police authorities would most certainly want to talk to their employees because, although they may be under the direction and control of the chief constable, it would be a poor authority that did not look to the interests of its staff and staff associations. I am at a bit of a loss to understand how...

Policing and Crime Bill: Committee (1st Day) (22 Jun 2009)

Baroness Harris of Richmond: I am grateful to the noble Lord for clarifying what is without doubt a very blurred area. I am also grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Harris of Haringey, for supporting my amendments. That was an unusual but very welcome addition to our debate. I am grateful also to my noble friend Lord Bradshaw, who will be speaking at greater length as we debate the Bill. I do not agree with the...

Policing and Crime Bill: Committee (1st Day) (22 Jun 2009)

Baroness Harris of Richmond: The amendment was discussed in Committee in the other place. The proposed new clause sets out the responsibilities of police authorities. It gives them the power to determine their own council tax precepts and removes the powers of the Home Secretary to override it. It also gives police authorities the power to determine their own local policing priorities. Amendment 18 would give a directly...

Policing and Crime Bill: Committee (1st Day) (22 Jun 2009)

Baroness Harris of Richmond: The Minister and I will never agree on this point. The effect of what he is saying is a great tightening band around police authorities' freedoms to manage their affairs sensibly. Police authorities do not go spending willy-nilly money that they do not have or cannot raise properly. I advise the Minister that in north Yorkshire a number of years ago—not under my watch; it was as soon as I...

Policing and Crime Bill: Committee (1st Day) (22 Jun 2009)

Baroness Harris of Richmond: Amendments 14, 15 and 16 leave out the words, "obtain the approval of the Secretary of State". We have been over this ground, so I shall not detain the Committee overlong. Amendment 17, which concerns the appointment of chief constables and assistant chief constables, touches on what we have just been talking about. Again, it is the question of the Secretary of State overseeing the...

Policing and Crime Bill: Committee (1st Day) (22 Jun 2009)

Baroness Harris of Richmond: That almost gave me a heart attack. I will now raise yet again the issue of the large number of regulation-making powers in the Bill for the Secretary of State. I am afraid that you will hear a great deal more from me on the subject as the Bill progresses. It is fundamentally an unsatisfactory way to make laws. The powers tend to be wide-ranging and non-specific to make sure that every future...

Policing and Crime Bill: Committee (1st Day) (22 Jun 2009)

Baroness Harris of Richmond: The noble Lord, Lord Harris, makes an interesting point. I, too, would be interested to hear what the Minister has to say about that. I support the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham. How do the Government envisage this being used? Would there be different levels of payment for each different reason that a person would leave, dependent on how long they had been in post and that sort of thing? Those...


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