Parental Bereavement (Leave and Pay) Bill - remaining stages – Kevin Hollinrake.
Regulation of independent financial advisers – Kevin Hollinrake.
Kevin Hollinrake: Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Kevin Hollinrake: Will the hon. Gentleman give way on a matter of record?
Kevin Hollinrake: I am grateful. The hon. Gentleman will correct me if I am wrong, but I think he said that the growth rate in outsourcing has increased under this Government and the coalition. Full Fact, however, states that the growth rate was similar under both Governments—the Governments since 2010 and the previous Government.
Kevin Hollinrake: rose—
Kevin Hollinrake: The hon. Lady is talking about the efficiency of the system, but is she aware that the Commonwealth Fund report, which addresses some of the issues she is talking about, described the NHS as the most efficient healthcare system in the world?
Kevin Hollinrake: The hon. Lady seems to be implying that the internal market is a problem, but it has been in place since my right hon. and learned Friend the Member for Rushcliffe (Mr Clarke) was the Chancellor. Efficiencies have been driven, and she must take into account the internal market reforms that are in play.
Kevin Hollinrake: The hon. Lady makes a good point, but the reason the NHS is under pressure is because of hugely increased demand. There is more money going into the NHS, and we would all concede that we need to put more money in, but demand is the essence of the problem. It is not because we have private sector companies operating within it.
Kevin Hollinrake: Will the hon. Lady give way?
Kevin Hollinrake: rose—
Kevin Hollinrake: My hon. Friend is making a very fine speech. He mentioned the failure of Carillion. There are many lessons from that and many reasons behind the failure. One is that Carillion worked on wafer-thin margins in its contracts, which illustrates that the taxpayer gets very good value for money because of the competitive nature of the bidding process.
Kevin Hollinrake: It is a pleasure to speak while you are in the Chair, Sir Graham. I add my congratulations to the hon. Member for Hartlepool (Mike Hill) on his introduction of the debate. May I start by clarifying a point in his opening remarks? He conflated, I think, paying for healthcare and outsourcing, which to my mind are two completely separate things. Let me explain something that informed my...
Kevin Hollinrake: I agree with that point entirely. We all love the NHS and respect so much the work of the people who work in that service, so congratulations on the fact that Labour introduced the NHS, but that is not the point. This debate should not be about ideology, it should be about what works.
Kevin Hollinrake: I am very grateful for that historical clarification. One thing I used to say in my business to any people who came to me with new ideas was that ideas are ten a penny. What matters is how we implement things. What matters is how we implemented things then and how we implement things today. That is what makes the critical difference in whether something will succeed or fail.
Kevin Hollinrake: I am grateful for the hon. Lady’s intervention. I absolutely think that funding needs to be fair. There are certain instances we can look at as to whether the funding for certain CCGs in York and north Yorkshire is unfair. We need to ensure that the funding is got right wherever people are. It is incredible that we have a postcode lottery for healthcare in this country; things differ in...
Kevin Hollinrake: May I make some progress? I have taken three or four interventions in a row.
Kevin Hollinrake: Okay.
Kevin Hollinrake: As I said, there are concerns. I have concerns: some of my constituents have difficulties. The overall quantum of healthcare funding—I will return to this at the end of my remarks—is putting pressure particularly on rural areas that I represent. We need to tackle a number of different issues. With regard to the future of healthcare funding, my perspective is similar to that of my...
Kevin Hollinrake: It is only corrosive if it is not in the patient’s interest. There are clear commissioning rules that it must be in the patient’s interest for this commissioning to take place. The key is what is right for the patient. I do not doubt that the hon. Gentleman may be right that some of the commissioning is wrong, but whether it is private or public should not be the overriding...