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Oral Answers to Questions — Food Supplies: House-Charge Licences (14 Dec 1949)

Mr William Brown: Since it is now 1949 and it will shortly be 1950, can the Minister give us any indication when, in this and a number of other fields, we shall get away from the monopoly of the 1939-ers?

Oral Answers to Questions — British Army: Foreign Workers (13 Dec 1949)

Mr William Brown: Is it not just as intolerable that an employer should compel a man to join a union as that he should, as he did in earlier days, forbid him to join one? Is the Minister aware that we do not want this sort of thing in the public service? We have never had it. We can do all our own organising without any help from Ministers. This is intolerable.

Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE (SCOTLAND) BILL [Lords]: New Clause. — (Corporal Punishment in Prisons.) (30 Nov 1949)

Mr William Brown: This is a very difficult subject to discuss, because I imagine that all of us, on whichever side of the House we sit, and to whichever party we belong, do not like the idea of corporal punishment. I like it as little as any man in England, but if we are to be governed solely by our dislike of the idea of corporal punishment we shall reach the wrong decision here today. There are bigger issues...

Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE (SCOTLAND) BILL [Lords]: New Clause. — (Corporal Punishment in Prisons.) (30 Nov 1949)

Mr William Brown: I should like to know of a single country in this world where corporal punishment is not retained as part of prison discipline.

Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE (SCOTLAND) BILL [Lords]: New Clause. — (Corporal Punishment in Prisons.) (30 Nov 1949)

Mr William Brown: No, that is not so. Let us get our facts right.

Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE (SCOTLAND) BILL [Lords]: New Clause. — (Corporal Punishment in Prisons.) (30 Nov 1949)

Mr William Brown: I am much obliged to the right hon. and learned Gentleman. I thought the hon. Member for Bexley (Mr. Bramall) was referring to other countries apart from this country. I know of no country in the world outside the British Isles in which corporal punishment is not retained as part of the prison system. Let us be honest about that.

Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE (SCOTLAND) BILL [Lords]: New Clause. — (Corporal Punishment in Prisons.) (30 Nov 1949)

Mr William Brown: My hon. Friend believes that Sweden is an exception. I deny that. However, we cannot very well argue that point in cross-talk. The Lord Advocate said that Scotland has not had corporal punishment in its prisons for the past 100 years, except for one prison, Peterhead. He did not tell the House that Peterhead is the classic convict prison of Scotland. It is the one place, of all places, in...

Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE (SCOTLAND) BILL [Lords]: New Clause. — (Corporal Punishment in Prisons.) (30 Nov 1949)

Mr William Brown: I take the point which the hon. Gentleman has made. I agree very much with the sentiment which I heard mentioned by an hon. Member above the Gangway. In Glasgow only a few weeks ago I attended the Conference of the Scottish Prison Officers' Association. The hon. Gentleman above the Gangway uttered a sentiment with which I agreed, and which I will repeat—that we have to recognise that there...

Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE (SCOTLAND) BILL [Lords]: New Clause. — (Corporal Punishment in Prisons.) (30 Nov 1949)

Mr William Brown: So far as I know that is the case in every prison in Scotland except Barlinnie. The Lord Advocate will answer me if he has better facts than I have. The Home Secretary knows it to be true. The broad situation in England and Scotland is one of complete understaffing, about which I have made representations to the Home Secretary for years. It is a situation of gross overcrowding, and of...

Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE (SCOTLAND) BILL [Lords]: New Clause. — (Corporal Punishment in Prisons.) (30 Nov 1949)

Mr William Brown: I understood that to be the hon. Member's argument. Is his argument that because we do not want to resort to cutting a man's head off we must abdicate and conclude that there is nothing whatever that can be done? Is that the logic of his argument? If so, it seems that the argument is a ridiculous one.

Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE (SCOTLAND) BILL [Lords]: New Clause. — (Corporal Punishment in Prisons.) (30 Nov 1949)

Mr William Brown: No, I have given way enough. I do not think I have been unfair to the hon. Member. I assert that no hon. Member of this House likes the idea of corporal punishment. We should all like a world in which men did the right thing without external compulsion because they were good men. But we have to recognise that we have not got that world, that evil is a fact in the world, and that we have to...

Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE (SCOTLAND) BILL [Lords]: New Clause. — (Corporal Punishment in Prisons.) (30 Nov 1949)

Mr William Brown: Does not the hon. Member recognise that he is really stating a case for inflicting corporal punishment on the man who slashes a woman with a bicycle chain and not a case against inflicting corporal punishment on a prisoner who jabs a pair of scissors into a warder's head?

Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE (SCOTLAND) BILL [Lords]: New Clause. — (Corporal Punishment in Prisons.) (30 Nov 1949)

Mr William Brown: We have Scotsmen in English prisons, too.

Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE (SCOTLAND) BILL [Lords]: New Clause. — (Corporal Punishment in Prisons.) (30 Nov 1949)

Mr William Brown: It sounds a typical Scottish transaction.

Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE (SCOTLAND) BILL [Lords]: New Clause. — (Corporal Punishment in Prisons.) (30 Nov 1949)

Mr William Brown: I did not say that. I distinguished between Peterhead and other Scottish prisons in the matter of corporal punishment by saying that Peterhead was the classical incarceration point for the convict prisoner in Scotland

Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE (SCOTLAND) BILL [Lords]: New Clause. — (Corporal Punishment in Prisons.) (30 Nov 1949)

Mr William Brown: The answer is "No." The pay will not allow it.

Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE (SCOTLAND) BILL [Lords]: New Clause. — (Corporal Punishment in Prisons.) (30 Nov 1949)

Mr William Brown: I am sorry to interrupt the perfectly fair argument which my hon. Friend is putting, but this dilemma occurred when the Criminal Justice Bill for England was being considered. We retained the power of corporal punishment in respect of attacks upon prison officers, but did not retain it in respect of assaults by one prisoner upon another. While we wanted to keep corporal punishment to a...

Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE (SCOTLAND) BILL [Lords]: New Clause. — (Corporal Punishment in Prisons.) (30 Nov 1949)

Mr William Brown: Has the hon. Gentleman read the new Clause, because, it does not give power to the prison officer or even to the prison governor to inflict corporal punishment. Subsection (3) reads: The rules shall not authorise the infliction of corporal punishment except by order of the visiting committee at which not less than three members are present; and no such order shall be made except after an...

Orders of the Day — CRIMINAL JUSTICE (SCOTLAND) BILL [Lords]: New Clause. — (Corporal Punishment in Prisons.) (30 Nov 1949)

Mr William Brown: I hate to interrupt, because I think the Lord Advocate is making a very fair, relevant and pertinent case. It is true I had the English situation in my mind, but he Will allow me to say that in the last two months I have taken counsel with the prison officers in Scotland in this matter at a conference at which the right hon. and gallant Member for Scottish Universities (Lieut.-Colonel...


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