Mr Nigel Fisher: It would seem to me that there are no public houses, in the accepted sense of the word, in that list. The hon. Member is simply reading out a catalogue of hotel bars and theatre bars.
Mr Nigel Fisher: The hon. Gentleman started this argument. No one else said anything about the Army Education Corps. He has been extremely insulting about the Brigade of Guards. Has he any experience or proof of his statements? Has he fought alongside them in war?
Mr Nigel Fisher: In war-time?
Mr Nigel Fisher: Does the hon. Gentleman think the Brigade of Guards is not efficient?
Mr Nigel Fisher: On a point of order. Are we not getting a litte wide of the subject?
Mr Nigel Fisher: On a point of order. Is the right hon. Gentleman entitled, Sir, to make these scarcely veiled allegations of corruption against the Conservative Party and therefore, by implication, against the head of the Conservative Party organisation, who is a member of another place?
Mr Nigel Fisher: With great respect, Mr. Speaker, and further to that point, this is a matter of some substance. Apparently someone in the Conservative Party organisation is thought to have made a deal and to have accepted money from the brewers. My point is that if someone has done that—and that is the allegation—will the right hon. Member for Ebbw Vale (Mr. Bevan) tell us who it is that he has in mind?
Mr Nigel Fisher: I should dearly love to follow the hon. Lady the Member for Coatbridge and Airdrie (Mrs. Mann) into the matter of food prices—[HON. MEMBERS: "Why not do so?"]—but unfortunately I am precluded from doing so because I am Parliamentary Private Secretary to the Minister of Food and I have not to make any remarks about food, much as I am tempted to answer the hon. Lady. I want to return to...
Mr Nigel Fisher: I appreciate the hon. Gentleman's point, but there were not many world wars during the Victorian era, and of course, it was very helpful to the prosperity of all nations that that condition obtained. At any rate, they were not wars on the scale which we know today. However, the important thing is that, although we may need our Imperial resources and have faith in them, the really vital...
Mr Nigel Fisher: On a point of order. Is the hon. Member now addressing the Committee to be allowed persistently to disregard your Ruling?
Mr Nigel Fisher: I was watching the incident, and I had the impression that my right hon. Friend was rising to a point of order, which is a rather different matter.
Mr Nigel Fisher: Mr. Nigel Fisher (Hitchin) rose——
Mr Nigel Fisher: Can the hon. Gentleman say what unit gets its men up as early in the morning as that without any object for doing so?
Mr Nigel Fisher: We have heard this all before.
Mr Nigel Fisher: I count myself fortunate in being called to follow the hon. Member for Newcastle-upon-Tyne. Central (Mr. Short). Whatever he may say about the Brigade of Guards, and I have no idea with what knowledge he speaks, the fact remains that the Guards depots produce the best disciplined troops in the whole world. They are also the best fighting troops because of the basic depot training which the...
Mr Nigel Fisher: I say what I have said before, that the Brigade of Guards are the best fighting troops in the world.
Mr Nigel Fisher: What is more, in spite of the ridicule which the hon. Member has poured on the depot system, guardsmen are immensely proud of their regiments and immensely proud of the training they receive. They look with sorrow on troops who have not had the benefit of the same sort of training, and they acknowledge that it stands them in very good stead when war-time comes. Even the hon. Member for...
Mr Nigel Fisher: My only comment on that remark is how can one seriously imagine one can have the best troops without having very fine officers.
Mr Nigel Fisher: It is absurd to imagine that we can have such successful troops in action unless their leaders are also efficient. I have a good deal of experience of officers of the Brigade of Guards. They are not stupid, and they have nothing whatever to be ashamed of. They are every bit as good and probably better than officers of other units. In order not to upset my hon. and gallant Friend the Member...
Mr Nigel Fisher: I think that all these things contribute. There is another interesting thing which the Duke of Wellington did not say but which also had a good deal in it and that was that the Battle of Waterloo was won on the playing fields of Eton. That is probably more true than the hon. Gentleman realises.