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Clause 1: Termination of Existing Arrangements (10 Dec 1986)

Mr Guy Barnett: Did he write a letter?

Clause 1: Termination of Existing Arrangements (10 Dec 1986)

Mr Guy Barnett: Of course, the hon. Gentleman will recall that direct grant schools were abolished by his right hon. Friend the Member for Daventry (Mr. Prentice), will he not? I do not know what the right hon. Gentleman's opinion is now. In my speech, I referred to the education service as a national service locally administered. National Government have every right to lay down general parameters within...

Clause 1: Termination of Existing Arrangements (10 Dec 1986)

Mr Guy Barnett: That is true, and it is not the end of the matter. There is no doubt that the employers and employees were ready and willing to negotiate with the Secretary of State to try to reach an agreement that would be acceptable to all sides. Indeed, although the settlement that was agreed at Coventry and Nottingham would have meant more expenditure and a series of pay scales that may not have suited...

Clause 1: Termination of Existing Arrangements (10 Dec 1986)

Mr Guy Barnett: The hon. Member for Nottingham, South (Mr. Brandon-Bravo) is saying that no local authority is an employer. Every local authority depends on rate support grant, so ultimately the Government are the employer. That is the only interpretation that I can put on his argument.

Clause 1: Termination of Existing Arrangements (10 Dec 1986)

Mr Guy Barnett: I can only interpret what the hon. Gentleman said in that sense because, as he knows, the local education authority writes the cheques, pays teachers' salaries and pays the other expenses of running an education service. Of course it receives funds from central Government to assist it in doing that, but there is no doubt in my mind that the employer is the local education authority. The...

Clause 1: Termination of Existing Arrangements (10 Dec 1986)

Mr Guy Barnett: That is all very interesting, but we are not discussing that amendment. If the hon. Gentleman looks at the amendments that were called by you, Mr. Walker, he will discover that the amendment to which he referred is not on the list. The hon. Gentleman was wrong to refer to amendment No. 13.

Clause 1: Termination of Existing Arrangements (10 Dec 1986)

Mr Guy Barnett: I do not pretend to put forward the best arrangements for negotiations to take place. That is a difficult issue that would have to be decided as a consequence of consultations between the Secretary of State and representatives of the local education authorities and the teachers' organisations. The House cannot make such decisions. It would be exceedingly difficult to ensure that all...

Clause 1: Termination of Existing Arrangements (10 Dec 1986)

Mr Guy Barnett: They have hardly resulted from experimentation at a local level. The hon. Gentleman quotes something that has been imposed by central Government. That is hardly in line with the sort of experimentation and educational advance that has been made by people such as the late Sir Alec Clegg and others, who have pioneered new developments in education at local level, which later have had an impact...

Clause 1: Termination of Existing Arrangements (10 Dec 1986)

Mr Guy Barnett: My hon. Friend has raised an exceedingly important point. Conceivably, there could be an extravagant Government with an extravagant Secretary of State who wanted to give in to teachers and pay them enormous salaries. That would place a burden on local authorities that ratepayers could not be expected to bear. The argument cuts both ways. The Secretary of State now tells us that it is his...

Clause 1: Termination of Existing Arrangements (10 Dec 1986)

Mr Guy Barnett: He is a member of the Labour party.

Clause 1: Termination of Existing Arrangements (10 Dec 1986)

Mr Guy Barnett: rose—

Clause 1: Termination of Existing Arrangements (10 Dec 1986)

Mr Guy Barnett: rose—

Clause 1: Termination of Existing Arrangements (10 Dec 1986)

Mr Guy Barnett: On a point of order, Mr. Walker. I think that the hon. Member for Ealing, North (Mr. Greenway) should be asked to withdraw a statement to the effect that I or any other hon. Member is in the pay of an organisation in order merely to put that organisation's view in the Chamber. I should have thought that it is totally out of order for such a statement to be made. I would ask the hon....

Clause 1: Termination of Existing Arrangements (10 Dec 1986)

Mr Guy Barnett: Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Clause 1: Termination of Existing Arrangements (10 Dec 1986)

Mr Guy Barnett: Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Clause 1: Termination of Existing Arrangements (10 Dec 1986)

Mr Guy Barnett: I am glad to have the opportunity of following the hon. Member for Ealing, North (Mr. Greenway). Normally, as I understand it, it is the practice in Committee to give way relatively freely. I shall certainly give way to Conservative Members, or indeed to Labour Members, if they wish to intervene, according to the more informal procedure in Committee. For the benefit of the hon. Member for...

Clause 1: Termination of Existing Arrangements (10 Dec 1986)

Mr Guy Barnett: Oh, he is not even a member of that union. I do not know which union he is a member of. Whatever it is, it is not the NUT. He made that clear.

Clause 1: Termination of Existing Arrangements (10 Dec 1986)

Mr Guy Barnett: I got the impression that the hon. Member for Ealing, North was a member of a trade union. Clearly it is not the NAS/UWT. Whichever union it is, I understand and perhaps sympathise a little with it because of the way in which its views were overridden by the majority on the Burnham committee. I sympathise with it because, sitting in opposition, my views are often overridden by the larger...

Clause 1: Termination of Existing Arrangements (10 Dec 1986)

Mr Guy Barnett: My hon. Friend has led me straight on to the essential point behind the amendments. As he said, a consequence of the Bill is the extraordinary position of the Secretary of State making decisions on behalf of employers and employees. A Minister or a Secretary of State making decisions on what shall be paid and what differentials shall exist, which must then be followed willy-nilly by employers...

Clause 1: Termination of Existing Arrangements (10 Dec 1986)

Mr Guy Barnett: The hon. Gentleman is right to regret the disruption in our schools and to say that during the past few years the partnership has broken down. I blame that breakdown on the previous Secretary of State. Alas, this Secretary of State is only following the tradition set by his predecessor. When he took office, with his honeyed words about the way in which he would operate the education service,...


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