Mr Henry Clark: Nonsense.
Mr Henry Clark: The right hon. Gentleman has made a point that the first President of the Republic of Ireland happened to be a Protestant. He also happened to be the founder of the Gaelic League. As the President is elected on direct voting and not in the same way as the Dail is elected, there is no validity in the right hon. Gentleman's point.
Mr Henry Clark: I listened with some interest to my hon. Friend the Member for Yeovil (Mr. Peyton), who left us in no doubt that there are occasions on which the excellent work of the Ministry of Agriculture is not fully appreciated by the general public. One of the troubles is that the Ministry realises this and, when it has been doing a reasonably good job, it occasionally decides to stop doing it, just to...
Mr Henry Clark: The Parliamentary Secretary knows perfectly well that the big men are prepared to pay money in through a considerable period simply and solely to drive the small man out and corner a very profitable angle of food production in the country for themselves. Let us be clear that the economics of production in small units and in large units is largely distorted by the commercial practice where the...
Mr Henry Clark: I apologise, Mr. Deputy Speaker, but it does come into the whole question of agricultural grants and it is rather difficult not to carry this argument on. When one looks at the operation of farming in this country and the problems that farmers will be facing in the future, I find it extremely difficult to understand why the Government cannot accept the Amendment.
Mr Henry Clark: Is it not reasonable that a farmer who is paying 9 per cent. or 10 per cent. on his overdraft should have a return of 5 per cent. or 6 per cent. on the capital he has invested in his farm? Will the Minister keep this in mind during the Price Review negotiations?
Mr Henry Clark: I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Galloway (Mr. Brewis) on raising this subject. It has been discussed on a number of occasions in the House, and both he and I are familiar with the discussions with the Transport Users' Consultative Committee, which body came down with a quite definite verdict that the railways should be kept open, and it was decided that one railway should be kept...
Mr Henry Clark: The hon. and learned Member is seeking to point out geographical inaccuracies. Will he not contemplate a further inaccuracy, in that the southern part of Ireland, commonly referred to in international circles either as Eire or as Ireland, has only 26 counties out of 32?
Mr Henry Clark: Civil rights.
Mr Henry Clark: I have listened to the whole debate, including the speech of the hon. Member for Ebbw Vale (Mr. Michael Foot). It has been of a very high temperature. I think that I know Ireland at least as well as hon. Members who have spoken on this side, but I do not see the connection between Ulster and sectarian differences and why the words "Ulster Defence Force" are so highly charged. We have had...
Mr Henry Clark: Nobody else has.
Mr Henry Clark: With due respect to the hon. Member——
Mr Henry Clark: Can the hon. Member suggest any other proper name which would be roughly applicable which does not equally raise passions of one sort and another? [HON. MEMBERS: "Northern Ireland."]
Mr Henry Clark: The hon. Gentleman will remember that the L.D.V. retained its name for approximately six months. It was then thought fit to change it in Northern Ireland to the Ulster Home Guard. If the hon. Gentleman objects so much to the Ulster Defence Regiment—I am sure I can speak for most of my colleagues—we are prepared to accept Ulster Home Guard.
Mr Henry Clark: I am in considerable agreement with what the hon. Member for Birmingham, All Saints (Mr. Walden) has said, and I am very happy to say so. We have had the most ridiculous debate. We have had the maximum of semantics and the minimum of fact. The only fact which seems to have been applied by anyone who might have had a chance of knowing came out in the course of the speech by the hon. Member...
Mr Henry Clark: I am trying to establish the facts on which we are arguing. The case has been put forward from hon. Members below the Gangway opposite that the words "Ulster" and "Defence" are highly charged. I am asking on what evidence that is based. I assure those hon. Member, if they accept the words of the hon. Member for Mid-Ulster and her associates, that they are not typical of the vast bulk of...
Mr Henry Clark: Mr. Henry Clark rose——
Mr Henry Clark: The hon. Member is making a pendantic point. Has it struck him that there is a strong residential qualification in respect of all British regiments which Irishmen join? The Irishmen have to live with the regiment. In exactly the same way, there is a residential qualification for the new regiment. The men who join it will have to live with the regiment, because it will be in Northern Ireland.
Mr Henry Clark: The hon. Member said that this kind of thing had been built up over the years in the Ulster Special Constabulary. We know that on the threat of disbandment many meetings were held by unofficial committees in most of the forces of the British Army in recent years. Can the hon. Member quote any instance of a meeting of the Ulster Special Constabulary being held before this year?
Mr Henry Clark: Mr. Henry Clark rose——