Mr John Rawlinson: I do not oppose this Resolution in any way, and I simply want to know if the Financial Secretary can tell us what is really the financial position between the Irish Free State and this country at the present time, and also state when the position between the two countries is likely to be adjusted? May I point out that a large amount of goods was handed over to the Free State, which at the...
Mr John Rawlinson: Can the right hon. Gentleman say whether the ammunition and the various other things have been valued, because every year makes it harder and harder to keep a list of the large amount of these articles sold. Have any steps been taker from time to time to keep an account these things?
Mr John Rawlinson: Mr. A. A. Somerville.
Mr John Rawlinson: There is no such rule as that, suggested by the hon. Member. The discretion as to calling speakers is in the Chair. As a matter of fact, this Vote had been called for by the Liberal Opposition, and it is customary to give a slight advantage to the Opposition, at whose request a Vote is put dawn. I have here an exact list of the Members who have spoken up to the present, and it does not...
Mr John Rawlinson: When hon. Members have been longer in the House, they will recognise that this matter is entirely in the discretion of the Chair. The hon. Member who raised the point first was wrong in making the statement that my predecessor in the Chair had called on Members in exact rotation. I find, for instance, that the hon. Member for North East, Ham (Miss Lawrence) was called from the Labour Benches,...
Mr John Rawlinson: Nothing of the kind. As a matter of fact, I have counted up the time occupied by Members of the Labour Party in this Debate, and it compares very favourably with the time occupied by the Members of the other parties. Of course, there is no point of Order in the question at all.
Mr John Rawlinson: Speaking off hand, I think it is the case that the University Grant is not under the Board of Education Vote, in which case the hon. and gallant Member would not be in order in referring to it.
Mr John Rawlinson: The hon. and gallant Member was out of order, in referring to the University Grant, as the University Grants were not included in this Vote. I ruled him out of order then, although I was very grateful to him for assisting the universities. He is quite in order in what he is now saying.
Mr John Rawlinson: What the hon. Member is now proposing would require legislation. I rather gather that he is suggesting that a Section of an Act of Parliament should be repealed. It is not, of course, in order to discuss that on this Vote, and the right hon. Gentleman in charge of the Vote is not responsible for it.
Mr John Rawlinson: It is a long time ago since we were informed that this question is still under consideration, and can the hon. Gentleman give us the slightest idea as to when any results of his consideration is going to take place, as this is a very serious matter for the Indian officers?
Mr John Rawlinson: 67. asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies what is the approximate amount of money advanced and price of goods sold or handed over, subject to a subsequent valuation, to the Irish Free State Government since it has been established; and what is the approximate indebtedness, if any, of the Irish Free State to Great Britain at the present time?
Mr John Rawlinson: Does that show the approximate amount of the indebtedness of the Irish Free State to Great Britain at the present time? That is what I want to know.
Mr John Rawlinson: Is it intended to exclude all picture galleries like the Royal Academy of Art. The wording of the Clause is rather broad. It refers to any exhibition which consists solely of works of graphic art, sculpture, and arts craftsmanship … executed and exhibited by persons who practise graphic art, sculpture, or art, craftsmanship for profit or as their main occupation. How far is that meant to go?
Mr John Rawlinson: Is the right hon. Gentleman quite sure that the words "arts craftsmanship" have no technical meaning?
Mr John Rawlinson: I beg to move "That the Clause be read a Second time." The object of this Clause is to exempt from Income Tax, the Easter offerings which are voluntarily paid to a minister of religion. It is a matter which does not involve the Exchequer to any very large extent otherwise I should not have proposed it. This particular tax involves a great injustice. Originally there were a large number of...
Mr John Rawlinson: Voluntary offerings made upon Easter Day or some other day.
Mr John Rawlinson: I should just like to say a word in reply to the hon. Member for Harborough (Mr. Black). I venture to suggest that he misunderstands the position. I do not know whether he goes to chapel at Market Harborough, but, if he does, I think he will find there that there are Ministers who come under an arrangement of this sort year by year. The question is one that worries some men as to whether...
Mr John Rawlinson: Does the hon. Member mean to say that the Minister of Market Harborough does not get a present once a year?
Mr John Rawlinson: Then the hon. Member has never been in a chapel at Market Harborough? We have asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer as to what the cost would be to the Treasury. If it were to be a large sum, I should be the first person to ask to withdraw the Clause, because the right hon. Gentleman knows that in these matters I really do my best to defend the Treasury on every occasion. I do not think that...
Mr John Rawlinson: Cannot we divide the House?