Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. A debate seems to be going on from a sedentary position on both sides. That must cease. The hon. Lady must be allowed to make her case.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. The hon. Gentleman must control himself.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: I am quite sure that the papers are available.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. That is not a point of order. However, the hon. Lady has made her point.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. Passing reference to an assembly is one thing, but talking about it in detail is another.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. I am trying to listen to the hon. Member's point of order.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Hon. Members are responsible for their own speeches.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: I understand that with this, it will be convenient to discuss the following motions: That the Special Grant Report (Wales) 1997 (HC 219), which was laid before this House on 3rd February, be approved.That the Limitation of Council Tax (Relevant Notional Amounts) Report (Wales) 1997–98 (HC 220), which was laid before this House on 3rd February, be approved.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. The Secretary of State should confine his remarks to the debate on the rate support grant (Wales).
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: I call Mr. McLeish.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: I am sure that the hon. Member's point has been noted.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: That is a matter for the Select Committee on Procedure.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: I hope that in such a short debate it is a genuine point of order.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order As I feared, that was not a point of order.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. The Minister is responsible for her own speech, as the hon. Gentleman well knows.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: With permission, I shall put together the following two motions relating to delegated legislation.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. We are getting rather wide of the debate.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: That is for the Chair to decide.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: That is not a point of order for me. The hon. Gentleman is responsible for his own speech, as he knows.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: With this, it will be convenient to discuss the following amendments: No. 53, in clause 63, page 47, line 11, leave out 'or'. No. 54, in page 47, line 12, at end insert 'or(d) any other person who arranges, whether under contract or otherwise, for another person to be a short-term or temporary teacher'.