Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. I hesitate to stop the hon. Gentleman again, but new clause 4 deals with pilot schemes. I hope that he will confine his remarks to that matter, and that I do not have to pull him up again.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: With this, it will be convenient to discuss Government amendments Nos. 61 and 64.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. I hesitate to interrupt the hon. Gentleman, but it has just been drawn to my attention that he is not on the list of those who tabled the new clause, so another Member must move it formally.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. Time is up.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. I have got the hon. Member's message. The Minister is responsible for his own speech.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. We now come to the debate on the development of democracy in central and eastern Europe.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: With this, it will be convenient to discuss the following amendments: No. 15, in page 160, line 24, leave out from 'Act)' to end of line 27 and insert 'the requirements of either sub-paragraph (IA) below or sub-paragraph (1B) below are satisfied.(IA) The requirements of this sub-paragraph are that—(a) a lease of an asset is or has been granted;(b) in the case of the lease, the conditions in...
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: With this, it will be convenient to discuss new clause 15—Report on VAT on energy saving materials (No. 2)—'Within twelve months of this Act receiving Royal Assent the Treasury shall report to Parliament on the consequences to the Exchequer of reducing VAT on energy saving materials.'.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. [Interruption.] Especially the second row on the Conservative Benches. Every hon. Member who has taken part in the debate on the new clause has been given a reasonable hearing, and the hon. Lady has a right to the same.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: That is a bogus point of order, as the hon. Gentleman knows.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Hon. Members are, I am sure, aware of the rules of the House.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: The hon. Gentleman can speak only with the leave of hon. Members.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Is leave granted for 10 minutes?
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: It might be helpful if I make it clear that the debate on the order may cover all matters for which Northern Ireland Departments, as distinct from the Northern Ireland Office, are responsible. Police and security are the principal subjects excluded.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. Five hon. Members hope to catch my eye in the 25 minutes before the winding-up speeches begin. With the co-operation of the House, I hope that they will all be successful.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. Time is up, I am afraid.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: I can assure the hon. Gentleman that all occupants of the Chair are fully aware of the procedures of the House, and carry them out.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: I heard nothing of that nature. [Interruption.] Order. It is a matter for the Minister if he feels that he ought to withdraw the remark.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. That is not a point of order for the Chair. The House must settle down.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: I call Mr. Kynoch.