Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: In accordance with the allocation of time order just agreed by the House, Lords amendment No. 8 will be grouped with Lords amendment No. 12. We shall also discuss the Government motions to disagree with those amendments.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. That was an attempt to intervene after the hon. Gentleman had refused to give way.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. I do not know whether the hon. Gentleman keeps quoting the name of the Minister. If he is, that is all right, but if he is referring to him, I am sure that he knows that he should not use the Minister's name.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. The hon. Gentleman's time is up.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: I have to inform the House that Madam Speaker has placed a limit of 10 minutes on speeches made between 7 pm and 9 pm.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: With this, it will be convenient to discuss the following amendments: No. 12, in page 2, line 25, leave out ', if it thinks fit, may' and insert 'shall'. No. 13, in page 2, line 27, leave out from 'satisfied' to end of line 28.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: I assure the hon. Gentleman that I have listened carefully to what the hon. Member for Glasgow, Hillhead (Mr. Galloway) is saying. He referred to the amendment, but he is going a little wide of it now. I ask him to return to the amendment.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. This is an interesting tour of world geography, but it would be more helpful if the hon. Gentleman could return his attention to the amendment we are discussing.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: That is not a point of order for the Chair. It is up to the Secretary of State whether he wants to give way.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Let me deal with the other points first. The hon. Member for Thurrock (Mr. Mackinlay) will have heard what the Home Secretary said. As the document has not been formally laid before the House, it is not up to the Clerks to make it available; it is up to the Government.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: That is not a matter for the Chair, as the hon. Gentleman will appreciate, but I am sure that the Home Secretary will have heard what he has said.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. The hon. Gentleman should have finished a while ago. He is fully aware, with his experience in the House, that interventions should be brief and to the point.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. The Chair did not think it was; otherwise it would not have intervened.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. I have been very tolerant, especially with the hon. Member for Ribble Valley (Mr. Evans). The Minister made a 55-minute speech and was given a reasonable hearing; the shadow Minister must be given the same.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: I must inform the House that Madam Speaker has selected the amendment in the name of the Prime Minister.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. Time is up.
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Has the hon. Gentleman the leave of the right hon. Member for Northavon (Sir J. Cope) or of the Minister to speak?
Mr Geoffrey Lofthouse: Order. We now move to the debate on the second Severn crossing.