Mr Sydney Irving: Order. I have allowed great latitude in this debate. Hon. Members on both sides have touched upon a wide variety of matters. The boroughs are not one of the matters concerned in the Bill, and the question of detail is one of which I must take some account.
Mr Sydney Irving: I suggest that it would be convenient for the House to discuss at the same time Amendment No. 40, in page 16, line 12, after "person", insert "wilfully".
Mr Sydney Irving: Yes, if that is to the convenience of the House.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. With this Amendment we may discuss Amendment No. 45, in page 20, line 3, leave out from beginning to end of line 4.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. I have been listening to the hon. Member for Glasgow, Provan (Mr. Hugh D. Brown) carefully and have given him some latitude. But he cannot discuss rate rebate schemes in general or the working of the present system. The hon. Gentleman can only discuss the increases proposed under this Order.
Mr Sydney Irving: The subject of this Order is the increases that it includes and not, I am afraid, a discussion on the general aspects of rate rebates.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. The debate is going much too wide of the order. I must bring the right hon. Lady and the hon. Gentleman back to order.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. Before we get another intervention I must insist that we come back to the Order.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. I must tell the hon. Member that the Minister will be in order only if he relates his remarks to the increases set out in the Order.
Mr Sydney Irving: Before calling on the hon. Gentleman to move the Motion. I ought to draw the attention of the House to the fact that there is both a Motion and a Prayer relating to the Census Order, 1970. I, therefore, propose to follow a recent precedent—HANSARD, 18th March, 1965; Vol. 708, c. 1617—and suggest that both should be discussed together. In that case I would allow the scope of the debate to...
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. The hon. Gentleman is going wide of the Order. He can discuss only the banks mentioned in it and not those which are not mentioned.
Mr Sydney Irving: No. It would be out of order.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. The hon. Gentleman is going into a wider debate than is admissible on the Order.
Mr Sydney Irving: Yes; it would be in order for the Minister to say why those are in the regulations; as long as she does not go wider than that, it would be perfectly in order.
Mr Sydney Irving: I hope all hon. Members will remember this.
Mr Sydney Irving: The timetable is not a matter for the Chair.
Mr Sydney Irving: In view of the short time remaining for the debate, I appeal to hon. Members to keep their speeches brief.
Mr Sydney Irving: I am grateful to the hon. Member for his help.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. I think the hon. Gentleman is now going beyond the scope of the Prayer.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. I appeal to the House for short speeches in view of the number of right hon. and hon. Members who wish to take part.