Mr Sydney Irving: We cannot discuss that on this Order.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. The hon. Gentleman cannot pursue that theme on this Order. The principles are established by the Sea Fish Industry Act, 1951, and only the scheme can be discussed on the Order.
Mr Sydney Irving: I am afraid that the only question of administration we can discuss is that related to the publicity scheme.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. We cannot have a commentary on this country's affairs on this order.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. I must point out that this is a debate on the Navy, not a general debate on the Services and defence.
Mr Sydney Irving: The hon. Gentleman may speak on this Motion if he wishes. It may be true that what he is saying is appropriate also to the next Motion, but the hon. Gentleman must decide that for himself.
Mr Sydney Irving: Perhaps the hon. Member for Rutland and Stamford will remember that other hon. Members are waiting to speak.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. It is clear that the right hon. Gentleman is not giving way.
Mr Sydney Irving: It is still for the right hon. Gentleman to decide whether he gives way. The hon. Member may get an opportunity to take part in the debate.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. The hon. Gentleman is getting rather wide of the Motion.
Mr Sydney Irving: That is not a point of order. The Chair is following the rule.
Mr Sydney Irving: Four minutes having elapsed, I must, under the Standing Order, proceed to count the House.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. The question of order on Second Reading, as the right hon. Gentleman knows, is that the debate is very wide, but it should be related to the Bill—in this case a general powers Bill. The hon. Member for Lewisham, North (Mr. Moyle) has been seeking to deal with matters that he wishes were in the Bill, and I find it difficult to rule out of order anything that he has said. I assume...
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. I must deal with the right hon. Gentleman's point of order. The right hon. Gentleman is correct that he would be able to refer, in favourable or unfavourable terms, if he wishes, to that policy. I hope that hon. Members will relate their remarks to the Bill, although it is a wide debate.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. Happily, it is the practice of the Chair never to rule hypothetically. I think that right hon. and hon. Gentlemen ought to allow the debate to go ahead and allow the Chair to decide as the debate proceeds whether a matter is in order or not.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. The hon. Member for Hornchurch (Mr. Alan Lee Williams) has said that he does not complain that this matter is not in the Bill and that makes it difficult for me to rule him in order. He can argue that things in the Bill should not be there or that matters not in the Bill should be included but when he gets outside these propositions it is difficult for me to rule him in order.
Mr Sydney Irving: The Chair is not concerned with the quality of the hon. Member's remarks, but whether they are in order, and they are not in order.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. The hon. Member is out of order.
Mr Sydney Irving: The question of order is a matter for the Chair. It is perfectly correct that the point the hon. Member has enunciated is in order, but the hon. Member for Hornchurch (Mr. Alan Lee Williams) was going rather wider than that.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. The hon. Gentleman has sat down. There are many hon. Members still to speak.
