Mr Sydney Irving: Order. I think that the hon. Gentleman is going beyond the scope of the Order.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. I think the hon. Member is now challenging the basis of the original Act. That is not permissible on this Order.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. I think that both the hon. Member for Inverness (Mr. Russell Johnston) and the hon. Member for Putney (Mr. Hugh Jenkins) are now getting wide of the Order.
Mr Sydney Irving: Mr. Speaker has not selected the Amendment on the Order Paper, but that will in no way restrict the scope of the debate.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. I am sorry. I shall have to disillusion the hon. Gentleman in thinking that he has the Chair behind him. He is getting rather far from the Motion. He should relate what he is saying to the second force or the Government's action in the circumstances that we are considering.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. I do not think that we should encourage the hon. Gentleman to go any further on that line.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. I have given the hon. Gentleman a great deal of latitude. He is so far away from the Motion that I must now rule him out of order.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. We are concerned with the White Paper only in so far as it deals with this present situ- ation and the conflict about B.U.A. The hon. Gentleman is, I think, rather far from this.
Mr Sydney Irving: The hon. Gentleman is in imminent danger of being asked to sit down if he pursues this line.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. As the hon. Gentleman has suggested, he will need the leave of the House, having spoken once already. However, in view of the unusual circumstances of the debate, the House may be disposed to grant that leave.
Mr Sydney Irving: It may be for the convenience of the House if we take the five regulations and the Motion for an humble Address together. It will be possible to have separate Divisions on these with the exception of the Motion for an humble Address, which must be put at 11.30 p.m.; otherwise it would fall.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. Mr. Speaker has already ruled this evening that the debate cannot include a general debate on Northern Ireland.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. The hon. Lady cannot discuss the B Specials on this Estimate.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. The point is whether they are paid for under this Estimate and they are not, so that rules the hon. Lady's point out of order.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. I cannot let the hon. Lady pursue this argument. She was in order in making a distinction between dicussing B Specials on their own, and General Freeland's responsibility but she is now departing from order.
Mr Sydney Irving: I allowed the hon. Lady that opportunity, but it should not be pursued any further.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. The hon. Lady is going wide of the Estimates now.
Mr Sydney Irving: If that is so, I apologise to the hon. Lady. I was not clear about it and she did not help us to understand it.
Mr Sydney Irving: So be it.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. Not on this Order, I am afraid.