Mr Sydney Irving: Perhaps the Financial Secretary can help the hon. Gentleman.
Mr Sydney Irving: Mr. Jeremy Thorpe.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. A large number of right hon. and hon. Members want to speak in the debate and I hope that the hon. Gentleman will allow me to proceed. Mr. Thorpe.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. I have called Mr. Thorpe.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. The practice to which the hon. Gentleman the Member for Worcestershire, South (Sir G. Nabarro) refers is not an absolute rule. It is usually at the discretion of the Chair and it is a discretion which is not always operated when a large number of right hon. and hon. Gentlemen wish to speak.
Mr Sydney Irving: I am reluctant on Second Reading to restrict the debate in any way, but the hon. Member is getting a little wide of the purposes of the Bill. They are concerned with reimbursement of the Board's losses in relation to pit closures and payments to redundant workers and other matters.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. I cannot give the hon. Gentleman an opportunity at this point in time to correct anything he may wish. He must wait to catch my eye.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. The Chair is having some difficulty in deciding whether the hon. Member's remarks are in order. Perhaps he will help me.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. The three Amendments which the House is discussing are concerned with the constitution of the board. I am finding it difficult to see how the hon. Member is relating his remarks to that proposition.
Mr Sydney Irving: I suggest that it would be convenient for the House to discuss at the same time Amendment No. 7 in line 21, at end insert 'for egg production'.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. Has the hon. Member for Glasgow, Cathcart (Mr. Edward M. Taylor) the agreement of the Minister to intervene in an arranged debate?
Mr Sydney Irving: I beg to move, That the following amendment to the Standing Orders relating to Private Business be made: Table of Fees, page 100, line 8, at end insert:'Where evidence is sound recorded … 5–0'. In view of the pressure of Select Committee work and the shortage of skilled verbatim shorthand writers, it has been decided, with the approval of the Services Committee, that tape-recording may be...
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. The hon. Gentleman cannot discuss the Price Review on this Scheme.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. The right hon. Gentleman is getting away from the Scheme and discussing the antidumping tariff.
Mr Sydney Irving: What troubles me about the remarks of both right hon. Gentlemen is that they are now getting into argument for or against the question of protection for the industry. This is not the purpose of the Scheme. An incidental reference may be in order, but no more.
Mr Sydney Irving: Order. The right hon. Gentleman has exhausted his right to speak.
Mr Sydney Irving: It would be convenient, I think, to discuss at the same time the Motion to approve the Hill Land Improvement (Scotland) Amendment Scheme. 1970.
Mr Sydney Irving: The hon. Gentleman said he would be out of order in discussing Amendment No. 4, and he was perfectly correct, but it seems that that is exactly what he is doing.
Mr Sydney Irving: The hon. Gentleman is out of order in making it and the Minister would be equally out of order in replying to it.
Mr Sydney Irving: I understand that although the hon. Lady has given an undertaking, she has not accepted the Amendment.