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Public Bill Committee: Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill: Schedule 1 - Terrorism prevention and investigation measures (28 Jun 2011)

Gerry Sutcliffe: Good morning, Mr Scott, and I wish members of the Committee good morning. To recap, in Thursday’s discussions, the Opposition view was that the early part of the Bill is the meatier one in relation to the issues that we face. Our contention is that the Government could introduce amendments to the Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005, which would  deal with those issues more tidily. That was...

Public Bill Committee: Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill: Schedule 1 - Terrorism prevention and investigation measures (28 Jun 2011)

Gerry Sutcliffe: The curfew was an overnight requirement in which a fixed number of hours could be fitted to an individual’s case. [ Interruption. ] The hon. and learned Gentleman had said that he did not know about the previous legislation; if he is now saying he does, what is the point of the question?

Public Bill Committee: Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill: Schedule 1 - Terrorism prevention and investigation measures (28 Jun 2011)

Gerry Sutcliffe: I am sure that my right hon. Friend the Member for Salford and Eccles, who was responsible for introducing the relevant Bill, can advise the Committee on what the position was. I understand that one reason why control orders were a problem, and why we have included an hours limit in our proposals, was that there was a challenge from the courts, which deemed that the number of hours required...

Public Bill Committee: Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill: Schedule 1 - Terrorism prevention and investigation measures (28 Jun 2011)

Gerry Sutcliffe: Again, I do not know the answer to that—perhaps the Minister can tell the Committee, with support from his officials. I am trying to make the point that the name change is cosmetic, particularly when the security services need consistency. We heard from Mr Osborne that it will take 12 months to put all the required assets in place, such as electronic surveillance and the training of...

Public Bill Committee: Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill: Schedule 1 - Terrorism prevention and investigation measures (28 Jun 2011)

Gerry Sutcliffe: I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for pointing that out. The onus is on the Minister to respond.

Public Bill Committee: Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill: Schedule 1 - Terrorism prevention and investigation measures (28 Jun 2011)

Gerry Sutcliffe: I do not agree. The hon. Gentleman makes a point about conviction, which we have discussed in previous debates. Our concern is to ensure consistency in managing risks. You may say that I am mixing things up, Mr Scott, but I do not think I am.

Public Bill Committee: Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill: Schedule 1 - Terrorism prevention and investigation measures (28 Jun 2011)

Gerry Sutcliffe: I am reassured by my right hon. Friend’s view that I am not mixing things up and that I have a strong point that the Minister must answer.

Public Bill Committee: Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill: Schedule 1 - Terrorism prevention and investigation measures (28 Jun 2011)

Gerry Sutcliffe: We are not saying that. I am simply drawing a comparison with the Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Bill, which receives its Second Reading tomorrow, with the need to change the framework and with how a curfew might be defined. On page 7 of the explanatory notes, paragraph 40 states: “The term ‘overnight’ is not defined in the Bill, but as a matter of public law the...

Public Bill Committee: Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill: Schedule 1 - Terrorism prevention and investigation measures (28 Jun 2011)

Gerry Sutcliffe: I am talking about managing risk and the Secretary of State making it clear what is required. The explanatory notes state that there may be an occasion when an individual is allowed to go to an event when they would “normally be required to remain in the residence”. What that event might be is a matter of judgment. Can the Minister tell us what type of event he thinks might be allowed?...

Public Bill Committee: Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill: Schedule 1 - Terrorism prevention and investigation measures (28 Jun 2011)

Gerry Sutcliffe: It would depend what time the wedding was. I have no objection to an individual going to a wedding. However, we need to consider the number of variations. The coalition Government contend that this is a strong regime, yet we are talking about individuals who would do us harm. In serious cases, such individuals pose a great threat, but cannot be prosecuted. There should be an air of caution....

Public Bill Committee: Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill: Clause 2 - Imposition of terrorism prevention and investigation measures (23 Jun 2011)

Gerry Sutcliffe: I thank the Minister for dealing with the amendments in his customary way. In all the years that I have been in the House—I think this is my 17th—this is the first time that I have served on a Committee alongside a judge, which is good news for my legal advice and support to find out about many of these issues. There is an array of lawyers—working class and otherwise—on the Committee...

Public Bill Committee: Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill: Clause 2 - Imposition of terrorism prevention and investigation measures (23 Jun 2011)

Gerry Sutcliffe: I thank my right hon. Friend. We will not press the amendments further, and I am grateful to the Minister for his explanation. I beg to ask leave to withdraw the amendment.

Public Bill Committee: Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill: Clause 2 - Imposition of terrorism prevention and investigation measures (23 Jun 2011)

Gerry Sutcliffe: I beg to move amendment 19, in clause 2, page 1, line 14, at end add— ‘(4) In exercising powers under this section, the Secretary of State must take into consideration— (a) national security; (b) the level of risk posed by the individual; and (c) public safety.’.

Public Bill Committee: Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill: Clause 2 - Imposition of terrorism prevention and investigation measures (23 Jun 2011)

Gerry Sutcliffe: I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for deciding not to move the amendment. We had a good debate this morning on clause 1. I hope that the Minister will respond to amendments 19 and 23 in the same spirit of consensus. The amendments aim to provide that the Secretary of State has regard to particular matters in the exceptional circumstances in which a TPIM notice is served on an individual....

Public Bill Committee: Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill: Clause 2 - Imposition of terrorism prevention and investigation measures (23 Jun 2011)

Gerry Sutcliffe: I shall be brief because I am not sure that the hon. Gentleman has convinced anyone on the Committee that the proposed system would work. Before moving anywhere near accepting his suggestion, I would want to know what the Association of Chief Police Officers thought about it and what the Minister thought about it following the consultation that has taken place in relation to the...

Public Bill Committee: Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill: Clause 2 - Imposition of terrorism prevention and investigation measures (23 Jun 2011)

Gerry Sutcliffe: The hon. Gentleman quoted Lord Macdonald and Liberty. What does he think about the comments of Lord Carlile when he was asked about police bail?

Public Bill Committee: Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill: Clause 1 - Abolition of control orders (23 Jun 2011)

Gerry Sutcliffe: The Minister has mentioned a few times the fact that the security services would have adequate resources. Lord Carlile made a point in the evidence session about the cost of control orders versus TPIMs. He said that control orders cost £1.8 million an individual, whereas, under the TPIM regime, the cost would be anywhere between £11 million and £18 million. Was he correct?

Public Bill Committee: Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill: Clause 1 - Abolition of control orders (23 Jun 2011)

Gerry Sutcliffe: I understand the point that the Minister is making about giving the details to people who would do us harm, but the public have a right to know about the increased costs of these things. On the business case, Mr Osborne said that the police put the business case to the Home Office last week. He also said that it would take 12 months for the assets and the training requirements for individuals...

Public Bill Committee: Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill: Clause 1 - Abolition of control orders (23 Jun 2011)

Gerry Sutcliffe: Will the hon. and learned Gentleman give way?

Public Bill Committee: Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill: Clause 1 - Abolition of control orders (23 Jun 2011)

Gerry Sutcliffe: I understand the hon. and learned Gentleman’s position and the strength of feeling in his argument, but the partisan politics on this issue started when the deputy Prime Minister said the Government were going to get rid of control orders. He was not going to get involved in a debate about the PTA or the issues that, I agree with the hon. Gentleman, we need to go through thoroughly. The...


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