Mr John McWilliam: What plans she has to increase the take-up of vocational training in schools and colleges.
Mr John McWilliam: I welcome my right hon. Friend's answer, but may I put to her the fact that, in too many schools, those pupils who wish to undertake a vocational course are still not regarded with the same esteem as those pupils who wish to undertake an academic course? May I also put it to her that the real wealth of this country is based on those pupils who complete a vocational course, rather than those...
Mr John McWilliam: Order. Let me stress that nobody has broken the rules yet, but if any of those cases has been submitted to the court it becomes sub judice and falls under that rule. No one has broken it yet, but this is a wee health warning.
Mr John McWilliam: I take it that the hon. Gentleman has the permission of both the Member who secured the debate and the Minister?
Mr John McWilliam: Before I call Norman Lamb, I should say that a Division is likely at some stage, and when that happens, I shall suspend the sitting for 15 minutes.
Mr John McWilliam: Order. May I ask all hon. Members who do not wish to stay for the next debate to leave quickly and quietly?
Mr John McWilliam: I remind hon. Members that the Minister needs a decent chance to reply. There is half an hour, and there will be a Division shortly, but the time will be added on.
Mr John McWilliam: Order. The hon. Gentleman said later on. The Member raising the debate ought to have an opportunity to hear a proper reply from the Minister. I have no power to impose time limits, but a couple of Members are trying to catch my eye before the winding-up speeches. Would the hon. Gentleman bear that in mind when he thinks about later on?
Mr John McWilliam: Before I call the hon. Member for Aberdeen, North (Mr. Savidge), it might be for the convenience of the Chamber for me to indicate my intentions. If there is a Division in the main Chamber, I will suspend the sitting for 15 minutes.
Mr John McWilliam: Order. The hon. Gentleman is speaking directly to the Minister, when he should be addressing me.
Mr John McWilliam: Order. Hon. Members should refer to other Members by their constituencies or the title of their office, not by name.
Mr John McWilliam: Order. Before the hon. Gentleman develops his argument—this point does not relate to what he is saying—I wish to say that this is a local debate, and that in the circumstances, having seen the hon. Members who wish to speak, I am content not to use Mr. Speaker's ruling in respect of limiting the winding-up speeches.
Mr John McWilliam: Order. May I disappoint the hon. Gentleman and say to him that my bedtime reading is much more likely to be J. P. O'Brian or Bernard Cornwell than the particular volume that he referred to?
Mr John McWilliam: Order. Will the hon. Gentleman explain which bit his kids will be pleased about?
Mr John McWilliam: Order. The question before the House is that the sitting do now adjourn and nothing more.
Mr John McWilliam: Order. May I join the hon. Gentleman in thanking all the Clerks who have served me in all the Select Committees that I have chaired in the past 20 or so years for all their hard work, as this is probably the last chance that I, too, will have to thank them?
Mr John McWilliam: Order. As a former treasurer, I have not borrowed that money for a great many years—when the hon. Gentleman refers to "you", he is referring to me.
Mr John McWilliam: Order. He is not the only one.
Mr John McWilliam: Order. The Minister still has five minutes.
Mr John McWilliam: Order. Time is up.