Bill Cash: My point is that these proceedings are wasting time.
Bill Cash: I wish briefly to show the sort of nonsense that the hon. Member for Torfaen (Mr. Abse), who is a lawyer, has been speaking by quoting Lord Devlin's remark about the word "knowingly". He said: All that the word 'knowingly' does is to say expressly what is normally implied". The hon. Gentleman is indulging in an exercise to waste time, and he knows it.
Bill Cash: My hon. Friend has had reason to use the word "knowingly" in proceedings. Is he aware, as I pointed out in an earlier intervention, that Lord Devlin has taken the view that the word "knowingly" is not necessary, that it is superfluous and would normally be implied in a situation of the kind with which my hon. Friend is dealing?
Bill Cash: rose——
Bill Cash: Having spoken about the vindictiveness of the Government and the way in which Mr. MacGregor has behaved, will the right hon. Gentleman explain why, under the Labour Government, when he was a Minister, no redundant miner under the age of 50 received any capital payments, whereas under the present Government, whom the right hon. Gentleman has so heavily criticised, a 49-year-old miner with 33...
Bill Cash: Did the branch secretary concerned take the case to the industrial tribunal on the ground of unfair dismissal? Does the right hon. Gentleman have any information about that?
Bill Cash: rose——
Bill Cash: Will my right hon. Friend give me an assurance that, in view of the tragic deaths of as many as 20 people in Stafford as a result of the influenza outbreak, the Government will provide as much help as possible to the people affected by that outbreak?
Bill Cash: Does my hon. Friend agree that the inquiry into the burdens imposed by legislation should be vigorously pursued between now and the autumn? We have some good ideas in the pipeline, but we want action as quickly as possible.
Bill Cash: I may have missed it, but I cannot find the word "subversion" in the text of the Bill. It is in the amendment, but is it in the Bill?
Bill Cash: The hon. Gentleman should refrain from attacking the Government for not including a definition that he would like to include in the Bill himself.
Bill Cash: Perhaps the hon. Gentleman would like a debate on what subversion means, but it is the Opposition amendment which includes that word. It is impossible for us to deal with a debate in which the Opposition are attacking the Government for including in the Bill a word that does not appear in it.
Bill Cash: Will the hon. Gentleman, when he is discussing definitions, tell us what espionage means as that word is in the amendment and is not defined?
Bill Cash: I am sure the hon. Gentleman is aware that the Bill provides for investigations into questions arising from economic well-being, and the pointed remark which he has just made goes rather wider than the content of the Bill.
Bill Cash: Does my hon. and learned Friend agree that the last time there was at attempt to put down such an amendment was during the interregnum, when Cromwell was in charge of things?
Bill Cash: Can the hon. Gentleman explain how the amendment would be included in the Bill? He will know that all other Select Committees have been set up under Standing Orders. Why has he chosen this route? Some of the other amendments have some unpleasant characteristics which I shall address in a moment.
Bill Cash: rose—
Bill Cash: Of course I realise that this is a new clause, not an amendment, and I apologise for the error. However, it would be helpful if the hon. Gentleman could name any other Act that has included such a provision.
Bill Cash: Is my hon. Friend aware that the same professor of law at the University of Lancaster has produced another report, which has everything to do with the miners' dispute? Perhaps my hon. Friend would be good enough to give his view on that?
Bill Cash: Is the hon. Gentleman aware that the withdrawal units—often described as sanctuaries or sin bins—are an increasingly popular means of dealing with disruptive pupils and that in 1977 there were 239 such units in England with accommodation for 3,900 pupils? As the hon. Gentleman knows, the cost of such units is considerable. The units visited by Her Majesty's inspectorate dealt...