Clause 9 - Pensions promise obtained from third party

Part of Pension Schemes Bill – in a Public Bill Committee at 11:00 am on 28th October 2014.

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Photo of Steve Webb Steve Webb The Minister of State, Department for Work and Pensions 11:00 am, 28th October 2014

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman. We are not inventing these concepts for the purpose of the Bill. He will know that the phrase “trustees or managers”  that we are using here is defined in the Pensions Act 1995 and “managers” is defined under the Pensions Act 2004. I hesitate to say, “You’d know it when you saw it”, but essentially we are talking about the person responsible for the management of the scheme. Clearly one of the things about primary legislation is that we cannot be too descriptive as we end up missing people out and not covering certain sorts of circumstance. Just as we used the phrase “pension promise” earlier in the Bill to mean what everybody knows a promise is, we are using the term “manager” here simply to refer to the person responsible for the management of the scheme. This is a familiar concept to those who run pension schemes and has not caused any problems in the past.