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Katja Hall: Ultimately, this is about encouraging growth and jobs, and it is certainly true that employment law and the fear of tribunals is an issue for all companies, and it is particularly an issue for small and medium-sized firms. They are worried about getting caught out on technicalities, or getting processes slightly wrong and therefore ending up in a tribunal. We should not underestimate that; it is a real issue. Both of our surveys show that it comes up as one of the key issues whenever we talk to our members about the barriers to taking on more people into jobs. Asking people to sign away, or not to have, their rights to unfair dismissal and redundancy will just increase the legal certainty for companies who want to take on people, and as a quid pro quo those people then get shares; but as I said earlier it is part of the solution. The key issue for nearly all CBI members is tribunals, and reforming tribunals.