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Clause 4 - Relationships between NCA and other agencies: tasking etc

Part of Crime and Courts Bill [Lords] – in a Public Bill Committee at 12:30 pm on 24th January 2013.

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Photo of Stella Creasy Stella Creasy Shadow Minister (Home Affairs) 12:30 pm, 24th January 2013

I thank the Minister for his comments. Our debate about when the powers will be used will be a better time to test the question about the minutiae of operational decisions and when the NCA will be involved in working with local police forces.

Our amendments are intended to try to get the Minister to say more clearly that police and crime commissioners are a key part of the way in which policing is going to operate on the ground, which would include them negotiating with the NCA and being involved in discussions about what is being done in any commissioner’s patch. I have no wish to test the opinion of the Committee, but we simply note how quickly the Government’s attitude towards police and crime commissioners has gone from red hot—saying, “This is the future of policing”—to lukewarm, saying, “They are there; we might as well let them know when things are happening.” I hope that their attitude does not become glacial, because otherwise, as many Opposition Members feared, we will find that this is a costly and expensive piece of bureaucracy that adds little to the future of policing in this country. I beg to ask leave to withdraw the amendment.