Clause 54

Part of Regulatory Enforcement and Sanctions Bill [Lords] – in a Public Bill Committee at 9:45 am on 19 June 2008.

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Photo of Pat McFadden Pat McFadden Minister of State (Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform) (Employment Relations and Postal Affairs), Member, Labour Party National Executive Committee 9:45, 19 June 2008

The hon. Gentleman’s first question relates to the proportion of cases dealt with by first-tier or other tribunals. The answer is that it depends on the jurisdiction. As I said, one of the advantages to business, regulators and everyone concerned is that hearing appeals through a tribunal can concentrate experience and work of that nature over time and build up expertise. However, when the jurisdiction is not dealt with by the first-tier tribunal but by an employment tribunal, the latter would deal with the process. Given that this is enabling legislation covering a significant degree of enactments, it is difficult for me to give the hon. Gentleman the percentages of first-tier and other tribunals. The answer to the question is that it will depend on the jurisdiction and the issue at heart; health and safety, for example, might be dealt with by other tribunals, other issues that we have talked about might not.

I may have to return to the hon. Gentleman with the answer to his question about the budgets that have been set aside. On costs, this is one of the parts of the Bill that I was referring to when I mentioned the impact assessment the other day. This part of the Bill is expected to give rise to the most significant savings to business. If memory serves me right, the savings on costs to business will be up to £80 million. In terms of the budget set aside to do the work, the answer may be shared between my Department and the Ministry of Justice, which is the lead Department for tribunals. I will come back to  the hon. Gentleman on that, or write to him. I would prefer to do that rather than to give him a figure for the budget right now.