Clause 8

Part of Local Transport Bill [Lords] – in a Public Bill Committee at 6:15 pm on 22nd April 2008.

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Photo of Stephen Hammond Stephen Hammond Shadow Minister (Transport) 6:15 pm, 22nd April 2008

The only trouble with the argument of the hon. Member for Sheffield, Hillsborough is that my right hon. Friend the Member for East Yorkshire was talking about a circumstance in another city. Therefore, one cannot suddenly compare one with the other. If there is the lowest level of car ownership in an area, one  could say that that would not be exceptional circumstances under the conventional meaning of the word “exceptional”. The Minister is wriggling around in relation to what is a common parlance view of the word “exceptional”. As the Minister said about the meaning of “economic”, most people would have little problem with the meaning of “exceptional”. The Minister is wriggling around on that point.

One thing that I would like my right hon. Friend to clarify relates to the Minister making the whole of the special local circumstances seem as if they would be used in a completely anti-environmental way. There is nothing in what my right hon. Friend has said that could be taken to be anti-environmental, unless one chooses to read it in that way.