I should like to press the Minister further on the comments of my hon. Friend the Member for South Holland and The Deepings regarding consultation with Welsh Assembly Members. The Minister suggested that there was a significant level of consultation with them, but the right hon. Member for Islwyn said on Second Reading that no consultation had taken place. Was he just badly briefed? Was he out of touch? Why would he say that no consultation had taken place? A trend seems to be developing: no consultation with the universities, no consultation with the Assembly. It all sounds a bit haphazard and rushed.