Schedule 4

Part of Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill – in a Public Bill Committee at 2:15 pm on 25th October 2007.

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Photo of Edward Garnier Edward Garnier Shadow Minister (Justice) 2:15 pm, 25th October 2007

I should be interested to visit St. Andrew’s. It comes under the auspices of the Department of Health, not the Ministry of Justice. When I visited Grendon Underwood, a special and marvellous institution that is run by the Ministry of Justice and the Prison Service, I asked the governor whether it was a hospital with bars or a prison with doctors. He said, “It is a prison with doctors, but I wish that it was a hospital with bars because we would get more money to do what we have to do.” I accept that we are not debating such matters this afternoon, but at some stage we, as legislators, will have to work out the best way in which to deal with disturbed people who end up in the criminal justice system. I have made my point. It is important that we not only lock up the right people for the right offences, but that we lock them up in the right place, and that people do not come to any harm once they are locked up.

Finally, on a happier note, I wish to draw the Committee’s attention to the fact that this might be the first time that Members of Parliament have tabled a new clause that would

“substitute the full stop for a comma”.

One can see it by looking at the end of subsection (3) of new clause 16. It is a matter of some considerable note.