Clause 3 - Short title, interpretation and extent

Travel Concessions (Eligibility) Bill [Lords] – in a Public Bill Committee at 5:45 pm on 20 November 2001.

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Photo of John Spellar John Spellar Minister of State (Department of Transport, Local Government and Regions) (Transport) 5:45, 20 November 2001

I beg to move amendment No. 1, in page 2, line 22, leave out subsection (4).

The amendment removes the standard provision inserted by the Lords to avoid questions of privilege.

Amendment agreed to.

Question proposed, That the clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill.

Photo of John Spellar John Spellar Minister of State (Department of Transport, Local Government and Regions) (Transport)

Subsection (1) gives the Bill its short title. Subsection (2) defines the appropriate Minister—that is the Secretary of State in England, and the National Assembly in Wales. Subsection (3) provides for the Bill's provisions to apply to England and Wales only.

Photo of Geoffrey Clifton-Brown Geoffrey Clifton-Brown Conservative, Cotswold

What parallel discussions are to be held between the Department and the National Assembly for Wales on bringing the Bill into force on a common date? What arrangements are in place for cross-border issues in Wales? Will the Welsh Assembly treat the whole of Wales as one authority? If so, it gives even more force to the argument that I and my hon. Friend have put, that cross-border issues should be addressed by the Government, even if not in the Bill.

Photo of Chris Grayling Chris Grayling Conservative, Epsom and Ewell

My question is more a matter of information than anything else. The Bill clearly relates to England and Wales. Will the Minister assure me that any extra costs incurred as a result of similar steps being taken in Northern Ireland and Scotland will not result in extra costs to the United Kingdom public purse but will be met from existing budgets controlled by the Northern Ireland Assembly and the Scottish Parliament? There would otherwise be a question over financial implications beyond purely devolved matters.

Photo of John Spellar John Spellar Minister of State (Department of Transport, Local Government and Regions) (Transport)

My understanding is that they will be met from existing budgets. Indeed, I understand that Scotland is debating the balance of funding between different items on several such issues. As for Wales, we expect equalisation for eligibility for travel concessions to start at the same time as in England—that is in April 2003. Our officials are also talking with representatives from the National Assembly for Wales and are keeping in touch on a regular basis to ensure that there is a degree of common practice.

As to the extent of the concession in Wales, I am not entirely sure what stage the Assembly has reached, but I am more than happy to write to the hon. Gentleman to clarify the matter.

Question put and agreed to.

Clause 3, as amended, ordered to stand part of the Bill.