Amendment 78

Great British Energy Bill - Committee (3rd Day) – in the House of Lords at 7:00 pm on 13 January 2025.

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Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist:

Moved by Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist

78: Clause 6, page 3, line 38, at end insert— “(1A) The Secretary of State must give a specific direction to Great British Energy that it must re-invest all profits into the company.”Member's explanatory statementThis would require Great British Energy to re-invest all profits back into the company.

Photo of Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist Shadow Minister (Wales), Opposition Whip (Lords)

My Lords, I rise to move Amendment 78 and speak to the other amendments in this group on Great British Energy. It is essential that we approach the future of energy in this country with the urgency that it warrants. The energy security of this nation is far too important to be left to chance. Today we have a pivotal opportunity to shape the future of Great British Energy in a way that prioritises transparency, accountability and the long-term benefit of the British people.

My Amendment 78 requires that all profits made by Great British Energy be reinvested in the company. This is a crucial provision that would seem to be self- explanatory. It is designed to ensure that Great British Energy focuses on long-term growth and the sustainable development of the UK’s energy infrastructure. It is crucial. If we are to establish a state-run energy company, it must operate with financial discipline and focus. Reinvesting profits ensures that GBE’s resources are used to strengthen its core business, to innovate and to contribute to the UK’s energy independence, rather than being diverted elsewhere. We must ask ourselves whether we want a national energy company that builds the future of Britain or one that becomes a drain on the public purse, burdened by external obligation?

I turn to Amendments 79, 81 and 82, tabled by my noble friend Lord Petitgas. Amendment 79 seeks to prevent Great British Energy from investing in projects that are reliant on government subsidies. Let it be clear. Subsidies distort markets, breed inefficiencies and create dependency. My noble friend sees this as a critical step in ensuring that Great British Energy operates as a self-sustaining entity. By preventing reliance on subsidies, we are ensuring that Great British Energy focuses on projects that stand on their own merits, fostering true innovation and competition. This is about making Great British Energy a commercially viable entity that does not lean on taxpayer funding but instead drives growth through its own strategic investments.

Amendment 81 introduces a critical measure of accountability and transparency. It requires that all investments made by Great British Energy undergo an independent third-party valuation. We cannot allow public funds to be spent without rigorous scrutiny. Independent valuations, such as the one that the UK Infrastructure Bank endured, will serve as an essential safeguard against potential mismanagement, ensuring that every investment is sound, justifiable and aligned with the long-term interests of our energy sector and taxpayers. This amendment goes beyond the traditional notion of financial oversight. It is about ensuring that every decision made by Great British Energy is transparent, free from political influence and fully accountable to the public. As we are entrusting a significant portion of taxpayers’ money to GBE, it is only right that we have an independent mechanism in place to assess whether the investments are wise and sustainable.

Amendment 82 limits Great British Energy’s investments to UK-registered companies. This is a straightforward yet powerful measure. Britain’s energy security in our national economy must be the top of this Government’s priorities when discussing this Bill. In an age when national security and economic resilience are increasingly under threat, why should we allow public money to flow into foreign companies when it can support British jobs, British innovation and British energy security? Investing in foreign registered companies undermines this goal. We must ensure that any investment of public money supports British interests first and foremost.

I now address the important amendments tabled by my noble friend Lord Effingham, Amendments 83, 84 and 85, which ensure proper governance of fiscal prudence for Great British Energy. Amendment 83 refers to the cost control and prioritisation of resources. It seeks to limit the size of Great British Energy’s delegation to the UN Convention on Biological Diversity, ensuring that taxpayer money is used efficiently and that the company remains focused on its primary mission rather than on unnecessary expenses for international events. Amendment 84 requires Great British Energy to publish its principles and criteria for evaluating investments. This promotes transparency and clarity for universities, companies and innovators seeking backing, while ensuring that the investment process is accessible and competitive.

Finally, Amendment 85, which my noble friend Lord Effingham tabled jointly with my noble friend Lord Trenchard, mandates that Great British Energy does not co-invest with Chinese state-owned companies without prior notice to the International Trade Committee. It requires Great British Energy to not co-invest with Chinese state-owned companies without giving prior notice to the International Trade Committee of the House of Commons. In light of ongoing concerns about foreign influence, particularly from state- controlled enterprises, this amendment would provide a necessary safeguard. It ensures that any such investments are subject to proper scrutiny, maintaining the integrity of our energy sector and the security of British taxpayers’ money.

These amendments represent vital steps towards ensuring that Great British Energy operates with the transparency, accountability and long-term vision that the public demands. We are tasked with overseeing an entity that will handle substantial taxpayer money and it is our duty to ensure that every penny is spent wisely and effectively to benefit the British people. From reinvesting profits back into the company and ensuring rigorous investment criteria to safeguarding our national security through greater scrutiny of foreign investment, these amendments reflect our collective commitment to building a resilient, sustainable and responsible energy future for the UK.

I trust that the Minister has listened carefully and given due consideration to the concerns raised in the amendments tabled by me and my noble friend. We must not lose sight of the sweeping powers that this Bill grants. It is essential that we maintain rigorous oversight to ensure that Great British Energy operates in the best interests of the nation.

Photo of Lord Petitgas Lord Petitgas Conservative 7:15, 13 January 2025

My Lords, I support the amendments in my name and those of my noble friends Lady Bloomfield, Lord Trenchard and Lord Effingham. They aim to ensure that the proposed entity, Great British Energy, operates in a manner that aligns with fiscal responsibility, transparency, accountability and the overarching national interest.

Amendment 78, tabled by my noble friend Lady Bloomfield, mandates the reinvestment of all profits back into the company. The reinvestment question is a good test of what GBE is about and its future performance. As I said, GBE is de facto a permanent capital investment vehicle that will be deploying capital in illiquid minority stakes. It is very unlikely that it will ever be able to dispose of those and realise a lot of liquidity, so at best it will deliver some dividends. If it did, it would be best for it to be reinvested, ensuring that the £8.3 billion is the maximum commitment for taxpayers.

My Amendment 79 in my name stipulates that Great British Energy must not invest in projects that are reliant on government subsidies. GBE is already structured as a crowding-in investment, which means that it is likely to take more risk and accept lower returns than the private sector. This is what the mandate of “facilitate, encourage and participate” means to me. There is nothing wrong with that, but the private sector and foreign funds should be attracted to the GB partnership for that reason. Therefore, I see no reason to pile in and give the private capital two bites of the cherry by allowing it to work with GBE with government subsidies.

I spoke enough about Amendment 80 earlier. Amendment 81 builds on it with a firm measure of accountability. By requiring independent third-party evaluations of GBE’s investments, we introduce an essential safeguard against conflict of interest and political interference. Transparency and objectivity in evaluating investments are paramount, especially when the risk of poor decision-making with public funds looms large. As your Lordships know, I am particularly concerned by the lack of detail and definition of investment process and framework within GBE, at least at this stage. I believe that the Minister has taken good note of my concern about the lack of precision on an investment committee.

Finally, Amendment 82 limits Great British Energy’s investment to UK-registered companies. The purpose of this entity, as set out by the Government, is to bolster Britain’s energy security and our national economy. Investing in foreign-registered companies undermines that goal. We must ensure that any investment of public money supports British jobs, British innovation and British interests. This amendment ensures that GBE prioritises domestic enterprises, strengthening the UK’s energy sector and reducing dependency on foreign entities.

I will remind the House of the holy grails that I think we want to achieve with GBE. Number one is energy security; number two is energy sovereignty; number three is economic growth; and number four is low costs for bills and more employment. Indeed, we do not want GBE to outsource, be it our energy security, sovereignty or supply chains. We know it is an incredibly difficult topic because, as a country, we are ahead on decarbonisation, but we are behind in terms of ownership of our own infrastructure. We are also behind in terms of supply chains and we are behind on production of cable, wind turbines and other technology. Therefore, we have a lot of work to do in this area and I think it will be an extremely difficult topic because of supply chains, China dominance and the fact that we are behind on infrastructure and technology.

All these amendments share a common theme: safeguarding taxpayer money, ensuring operational transparency and prioritising the interests of the British people. Conservatives believe in the power of the private sector and market-led solutions and, where state intervention occurs, as in this case, oversight is extremely important. We urge the Government to accept these amendments and commit to ensuring that GBE operates as a responsible, efficient and transparent entity.

Photo of The Earl of Effingham The Earl of Effingham Opposition Whip (Lords)

My Lords, I rise to speak in support of the amendments I have tabled to Clause 6 of this Bill, along with the contributions from the noble Viscount, Lord Trenchard. These amendments reflect three core principles of fiscal restraint, operational transparency and the safeguarding of national interests.

Amendment 83 seeks to limit the number of Great British Energy representatives attending conferences of the parties to the United Nations Convention on Biological Diversity to no more than five. I greatly understand the importance of international collaboration on biodiversity, but we absolutely must be realistic about the need for cost control and proportional representation. These international summits are indeed vital, but we have to recognise also that very significant amounts of taxpayers’ money are spent on travel and accommodation. It is simply not appropriate for Great British Energy, funded by the public purse, to send unnecessarily large delegations. By limiting attendance, this amendment ensures that taxpayers’ money is spent wisely, without detracting from the company’s core mission, which can be accomplished with a lean and laser-focused task force.

Amendment 84 would require Great British Energy to publish its principles, policies and criteria for evaluating prospective investments. One of the most persistent criticisms of government-led initiatives is the opacity with which decisions are often made. Entrepreneurs, innovators, universities and companies across the country deserve clarity when applying for backing from Great British Energy. For example, what metrics will Great British Energy use and what constitutes a worthwhile investment? By requiring the publication of this information, we will not only promote transparency, which should be encouraged, but foster a more competitive and accessible process for any prospective partners. This is good governance in action.

Finally, Amendment 85, tabled jointly with the noble Viscount, Lord Trenchard, addresses the critical issue of national security and economic prudence. It would require that Great British Energy does not co-invest with Chinese state-owned companies without prior notice to the International Trade Committee of the other place. The risks associated with Chinese state-owned companies are well documented. Co-investment with such entities could compromise the integrity of Great British Energy and pose long-term risks to our national security. Furthermore, it would expose the UK to significant economic and political vulnerabilities. To be clear, this amendment does not propose an outright prohibition, but it does mandate a right and proper process of scrutiny. Requiring advanced notice to the International Trade Committee will introduce a layer of accountability which will ensure that such decisions are not made in haste or without proper oversight.

Together, these amendments reflect a responsible approach to managing Great British Energy. They ensure that the company operates in a manner that is transparent, cost-effective and aligned with the UK’s strategic interests. I urge all noble Lords to support these amendments and help guide Great British Energy to be an entity that truly serves the British people both efficiently and prudently.

Photo of Viscount Trenchard Viscount Trenchard Conservative

My Lords, I rise to support my noble friend Lord Effingham in his Amendment 85, to which I have added my name. Certainly, there are good reasons to be very cautious in selecting international partners with whom we will co-invest in the energy sector. Chinese state-owned companies are managed under rather different governance systems from those which the London Stock Exchange would consider appropriate for its listed companies. I agree with my noble friend that the Secretary of State should consult the International Trade Committee of another place before considering such co-investment.

Among other amendments in this group, I also support my noble friend Lady Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist in her Amendment 78, which would ensure that GBE will reinvest all profits into the company. I agree with what she said in her speech, especially as GBE, as a publicly owned company, will not be subject to the disciplines of the marketplace, and its shareholder will be more concerned with achieving policy objectives through GBE than with maximising its return on investments and contributing to long-term growth.

Photo of Lord Teverson Lord Teverson Liberal Democrat

My Lords, I will make a few comments on this. I am rather attracted to the amendment from the noble Baroness, Lady Bloomfield—one worries that, if this were a successful organisation, all profits would disappear back into the Treasury, which would be very unfortunate. I think that is an excellent bonus, but I suspect I probably would not put it in as an amendment to the Bill.

In terms of investment committees, I cannot believe that this organisation will not have a proper professional investment committee, which, I hope will probably have some external members as well. But this misses one of the key points—which I also would not put in the Bill, so I have not put down an amendment—which is the discipline with which the great Green Purposes Company, of which I am a trustee, keeps the feet of the Green Investment Group part of Macquarie to the fire. It is around checking and making sure through proper systems that the investments that are made are truly green and add to low carbon, rather than otherwise. There needs to be a check on that side so that the organisation itself also avoids greenwashing, which is one of the big issues that would undermine the reputation of Great British Energy if it should ever happen. Obviously, we hope that it would not, and I am sure the Secretary of State would not want it to, but there needs to be something within the organisation—an external audit would be good—that includes the impact on greenhouse gas emissions and biodiversity as part of its performance.

In terms of foreign companies, again, I would not honestly see this as being part of the legislation, but I would absolutely say that Great British Energy should be involved in joint venture companies with foreign businesses. That is one of the key areas where we should be able to bring intellectual property back into this country and work together with other nations, as well as strong UK companies. Those joint ventures would be extremely important in terms of the performance of this company.

Lastly, why are we discriminating against the UN convention on biodiversity? It is an organisation that is struggling. I am not disagreeing on how many people we should or should not send to it, but why that and not the United Nations climate change committee or the COPs? I do not get that. It would be very negative for that organisation, for which we are struggling to get international consensus to tackle the real and huge biodiversity problems that we have on this planet, if it was mentioned in a Bill of the UK Parliament. That would be absolutely negative for our international reputation.

Photo of The Earl of Effingham The Earl of Effingham Opposition Whip (Lords) 7:30, 13 January 2025

That is one example of where, to monitor the cost, we need to keep a tight grip on the number of people we send in delegations. It does not aim at that organisation specifically; it is that plus anything else to which GBE might wish to send delegates.

Photo of Lord Teverson Lord Teverson Liberal Democrat

I understand the issue of public expenditure, travel and all that, but the noble Earl specifically names a culprit in his amendment. That is what the Committee looks at and what it tries to get into Bills, so the amendment specifically aims at that organisation rather than the broader canvas.

Photo of Lord Hamilton of Epsom Lord Hamilton of Epsom Conservative

My Lords, I support these amendments. I have certain reservations about my noble friend Lady Bloomfield’s Amendment 78, because it assumes these investments will make money. I have a bit of a problem with that. The real difficulty, as we have discussed, is that all the low-hanging fruit when it comes to investment in renewable energy has already been picked by the private sector. It does this quite simply by calculating a return on guaranteed income. Therefore, what worries me is that Great British Energy will be left picking up the bits that other people do not want to touch. The chances of it making money are probably quite small. Of course, it will have to count off the losses against the profits, so you need to have something at the end of the day. I know that the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, has achieved something little short of miraculous by investing other people’s money and actually making money, but that is an exception rather than the rule. The chances of Great British Energy squandering billions of pounds of taxpayers’ money are rather higher than it making any profits for anybody.

Clearly, accountability is very important when it comes to these sorts of sums. We should do everything we can to ensure that taxpayers’ money is looked after in the best way possible. Everybody should have great reservations about believing—to come back to the point I made earlier—that politicians are able to pick winners. The record on this has been absolutely abysmal. The chances of more money being lost than made are, I am afraid, very great indeed.

Photo of Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist Shadow Minister (Wales), Opposition Whip (Lords)

My Lords, I urge the Minister to give serious consideration to the amendments in this group. They are designed not only to strengthen the accountability and transparency of Great British Energy but to ensure that the promises made to the British public, particularly on national security and economic prudence, are fully delivered. During the last election, the party opposite made numerous promises to the British people, including a commitment that Great British Energy would first and foremost protect and benefit the British people. At the same time, we must remember that this is not just about creating another energy company but about establishing a cornerstone of national resilience—an entity that must operate with the highest standards of responsibility, transparency and accountability to the taxpayers who are entrusting it with significant public funds.

My noble friends’ amendments reflect three core principles: fiscal restraint, operational transparency and the safeguarding of national interests. As we consider these amendments, whether on reinvesting profits into the company, ensuring strict investment criteria or introducing greater scrutiny of foreign involvement, I urge us to draw from the examples set by the erstwhile UK Infrastructure Bank. When the bank was established, it was supported by clear frameworks for accountability, transparency and rigorous oversight, ensuring that taxpayer money was spent efficiently and aligned with national priorities. Let us learn from this experience and ensure that Great British Energy, in its critical role in our national energy strategy, is similarly held to account.

We must remember that the future of energy is not just about ensuring supply but about safeguarding our economy, our security and the well-being of future generations. By taking these steps, we will ensure that Great British Energy not only is accountable to the public but operates with the highest standards of governance, efficiency and integrity. The amendments before us are crucial to delivering that vision and I commend them to your Lordships, but at this stage I beg leave to withdraw my amendment.

Amendment 78 withdrawn.

Amendments 79 to 85A not moved.

Sitting suspended. Committee to begin again not before 8.15 pm.