Georgia - Question

– in the House of Lords at 3:09 pm on 17 December 2024.

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Photo of Baroness Brinton Baroness Brinton Liberal Democrat Lords Spokesperson (Home Affairs) (Victims and Abuse) 3:09, 17 December 2024

To ask His Majesty’s Government, following the Foreign Secretary’s statement on 9 December concerning attacks on protesters and journalists by authorities in Georgia, whether they plan to sanction those involved in the elections in that country.

Photo of Lord Collins of Highbury Lord Collins of Highbury Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office), Deputy Leader of the House of Lords, Lords Spokesperson (Equalities), Lord in Waiting (HM Household) (Whip)

My Lords, in his statement on 9 December, the Foreign Secretary called for violence towards protesters and journalists in Georgia to stop. Until Georgian Dream halts its move away from European democratic norms and freedoms, the United Kingdom is suspending programme support to the Georgian Government, restricting defence co-operation and limiting engagement with representatives of Georgian Dream. It would not be appropriate to speculate about future sanctions designations, as to do so would reduce their impact.

Photo of Baroness Brinton Baroness Brinton Liberal Democrat Lords Spokesperson (Home Affairs) (Victims and Abuse)

I am grateful for the Minister’s response. Georgian Dream, the pro-Putin party of unconstitutional actions and democratic backsliding, last Saturday appointed a new President, having cancelled the people’s presidential elections. Protests continue to grow in towns and cities across Georgia, but security threats and police violence against protesters—including killings—are growing and worsening daily. Will the Government seriously consider following the examples of Estonia in sanctioning Georgia’s Prime Minister and 13 officials, and of the European Council, which yesterday agreed to suspend visas for all Georgian officials?

Photo of Lord Collins of Highbury Lord Collins of Highbury Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office), Deputy Leader of the House of Lords, Lords Spokesperson (Equalities), Lord in Waiting (HM Household) (Whip)

I think the noble Baroness will know that I will repeat that it would not be appropriate to speculate on future sanctions designations, as to do so would reduce their impact. I repeat what my Honourable Friend Minister Doughty said yesterday when he

“reiterated in the clearest terms to Georgian Dream representative … that police violence and arbitrary arrests in Georgia are unacceptable”.

He said:

“The UK will consider all options to ensure those responsible are held accountable”.

Photo of Lord Callanan Lord Callanan Shadow Minister (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office)

My Lords, I want to back up the point made by the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton. The UK has always been widely admired in Georgia for the support we have offered to that country since it was freed from the shackles of the Soviet Union. Earlier today I was in contact with a friend of mine in Tbilisi—a former Member of Parliament. She said the situation is getting worse every day. Police brutality against innocent civilians is horrible. More than 500 people have been arrested. The Georgian Parliament is passing Laws significantly restricting people’s freedom. The US and EU member states are imposing personal sanctions or visa restrictions against the ruling party’s leadership. I understand the point the Minister made earlier, but the UK is in danger of being left behind here. Will he please consider sanctioning people in Georgian Dream immediately?

Photo of Lord Collins of Highbury Lord Collins of Highbury Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office), Deputy Leader of the House of Lords, Lords Spokesperson (Equalities), Lord in Waiting (HM Household) (Whip)

I will not repeat it a third time because the noble Lord knows exactly what the Government’s position on sanctions is. The shocking scenes of violence towards protesters and journalists by the Georgian authorities are unacceptable and must stop. We are working with our allies to ensure that we can convey that message in the strongest possible terms. We are determined to uphold what is, after all, the constitutional position of Georgia. When I was there 18 months ago I saw that it has strong constitutional rights and very good Laws, which are being breached by its Government. It is right that we stand up and point that out.

Photo of Lord Anderson of Swansea Lord Anderson of Swansea Labour

My Lords, we have close links with Georgia, and as a country we therefore have some clout. The European Union has more clout. What level and type of co-operation do we have with the European Union in respect of Georgia?

Photo of Lord Collins of Highbury Lord Collins of Highbury Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office), Deputy Leader of the House of Lords, Lords Spokesperson (Equalities), Lord in Waiting (HM Household) (Whip)

My noble friend is absolutely right and we are in regular contact with international partners, including the EU and the US. We are collaborating multilaterally, including on support for joint statements through the OSCE, the Council of Europe and the United Nations, where we have consistently called for human rights to be respected. We will work in consultation and in collaboration with our allies, because that is the most effective way we can ensure that they listen to us.

Photo of Lord Harries of Pentregarth Lord Harries of Pentregarth Crossbench

The scores of thousands of people peacefully protesting on the streets of Tbilisi are very impressive. They include religious leaders—Jewish, Muslim and Christian—walking together. Does the Minister agree that Georgia is a crucial tipping point and that Putin is doing all he can to manipulate the situation there? I was very glad to hear that His Majesty’s Government are prepared to do “all” things. Will he please keep us informed of what those things might be? We must keep on as hard as we can, as the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, and the noble Lord, Lord Callanan, asserted.

Photo of Lord Collins of Highbury Lord Collins of Highbury Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office), Deputy Leader of the House of Lords, Lords Spokesperson (Equalities), Lord in Waiting (HM Household) (Whip)

The noble and right reverend Lord is right. The people of Georgia are making absolutely clear their Opposition to Georgian Dream’s decision to pause the country’s further moves towards a European future—a decision that directly undermines the constitution of Georgia. By the way, the Georgian people are making their position clear not just in Tbilisi but throughout the country. We will offer whatever support we can. I will keep the House informed of all our actions and ensure that we convey very strongly how we are co-operating with others to make our position clear. Russia and Putin have a reputation of interfering in democratic processes, and we need to challenge that.

Photo of Lord Blencathra Lord Blencathra Shadow Minister (Environment, Food and Rural Affairs)

My Lords, I welcome the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, to the Council of Europe, which she will join in January. Three weeks ago I led a debate in Gdańsk on how disabled people could observe elections in other countries. I did that myself four weeks ago in Georgia, where we ran into a little trouble—my vehicle was sabotaged and a bunch of heavies were not very happy at our observations. It was not so much the individual intimidation at the polling stations that mattered but the way it was orchestrated at a high state level by the Georgian Dream party—which said it would outlaw the Opposition party, and therefore intimidated all those who voted for it—and criminals.

On the day there were 3,000 video cameras, featuring in every polling station. The report that my PACE team made stated that these cameras gave the impression, “We know who you are, we know who you voted for and we are coming to get you”. But trying to find the people to sanction is very difficult, so I ask the Minister to please keep looking to find the Georgian Dream leaders who were responsible for that high level of state-orchestrated intimidation. They are the guilty ones, rather than individual thugs at the polling stations.

Photo of Lord Collins of Highbury Lord Collins of Highbury Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office), Deputy Leader of the House of Lords, Lords Spokesperson (Equalities), Lord in Waiting (HM Household) (Whip)

I thank the noble Lord for his contribution. The important thing is that the United Kingdom supports the preliminary findings of the OSCE ODIHR’s report on parliamentary elections in Georgia on 26 October, for which we contributed 50 short-term observers in a monitoring mission. That report found “misuse of administrative resources”, a “highly polarized” campaign environment, as the noble Lord quite rightly pointed out, and widespread “intimidation” and coercion against voters. That, along with the impact on civil society of Georgia’s law on transparency of foreign influence, are not the actions of an open, democratic society and run contrary to international standards. More importantly, they run contrary to the constitution of Georgia itself.

Photo of Lord Purvis of Tweed Lord Purvis of Tweed Liberal Democrat Lords Spokesperson (International Trade), Liberal Democrat Lords Spokesperson (International Development), Liberal Democrat Lords Spokesperson (Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs), Co-Deputy Leader of the Liberal Democrat Peers

The Government were aware that the United States and the EU would be placing visa restrictions on these individuals. The UK now finds itself in the invidious position where these individuals would be able to travel here but not to the EU or the United States. Without prejudicing any decisions on future sanctions, surely the Minister can say that these individuals should not travel to the UK because that would not be conducive to our public good.

Photo of Lord Collins of Highbury Lord Collins of Highbury Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office), Deputy Leader of the House of Lords, Lords Spokesperson (Equalities), Lord in Waiting (HM Household) (Whip)

The noble Lord has made the point precisely—of course it would prejudice any future designations. I will not be tempted into doing that, because it would harm the impact. I repeat what my Honourable Friend said yesterday: we

“will consider all options to ensure those responsible are held accountable”.

I repeat that we are absolutely working in collaboration with the United States and the EU to ensure that whatever we decide in the future has maximum impact.

Photo of Lord Foulkes of Cumnock Lord Foulkes of Cumnock Labour

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Blencathra, asked an excellent question. With no disrespect to the European Union, does my noble friend the Minister not agree that it is the Council of Europe, of which Georgia is a member, that is important in dealing with this matter? Surely the Minister should work with the UK delegation to the Council of Europe, which is now headed by my noble friend Lord Touhig, and the Secretary-General, to see what pressure can be brought through that organisation.

Photo of Lord Collins of Highbury Lord Collins of Highbury Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office), Deputy Leader of the House of Lords, Lords Spokesperson (Equalities), Lord in Waiting (HM Household) (Whip)

My noble friend is absolutely right. As I said in an earlier response, we have supported the joint statements through the OSCE, the Council of Europe and the United Nations, where we have consistently called for human rights to be respected. I am certainly prepared to sit down with our noble friend to talk about how we can take this matter further.

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