Armed Forces Bill - Report – in the House of Lords at 4:00 pm on 23 November 2021.
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Lord Thomas of Gresford:
Moved by Lord Thomas of Gresford
2: Clause 7, page 4, line 27, at end insert—“(4A) Guidance under subsection (3)(a) must provide that where offences of murder, manslaughter, domestic violence, child abuse, rape or sexual assault with penetration are alleged to have been committed in the United Kingdom, any charges brought against a person subject to service law shall normally be tried in a civilian court unless, by reason of specific naval or military complexity involving the service, the Attorney General consents to trial by court martial.”Member’s explanatory statementThis Amendment would ensure the most serious crimes – murder, manslaughter, domestic violence, child abuse, rape and sexual assault with penetration – are tried in civilian courts when committed in the UK unless the Attorney General has specifically consented for such crimes to be tried by court martial by reason of complexity involving the service.
Lord Thomas of Gresford
Liberal Democrat Shadow Attorney General
My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Baroness for her careful reply, but I feel that I must test the opinion of the House.
Ayes 210, Noes 190.
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Armed Forces Bill - Report — Amendment 2
Baroness Garden of Frognal
Deputy Chairman of Committees, Deputy Speaker (Lords)
4:30,
23 November 2021
My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, will be taking part remotely.
Clause 8: Armed forces covenant
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violence occurring within the family
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The Speaker - or the chairman in the case of standing committees - has the power to select which amendments should be debated.
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