Report (2nd Day)

Part of Criminal Justice and Courts Bill – in the House of Lords at 7:15 pm on 22nd October 2014.

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Photo of Lord Ramsbotham Lord Ramsbotham Crossbench 7:15 pm, 22nd October 2014

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister once again for the courtesy, care and attention he has paid to giving an answer, which, I must admit, was fuller and more reassuring than I had originally hoped.

I hope, however, that during this process between now and 2017 the same spirit of engagement between the Ministry of Justice, the Youth Justice Board and Members of both Houses will continue. As I am sure the Minister has detected, there is considerable interest, not just in the introduction of the secure college but in its method; we are particularly concerned about its ability to deal with these people.

The noble Lord mentioned the fact that staff move people around on sites but I am sure he reflects that very often the inertia in the day’s programme that prevents vast amounts of it being delivered is caused by trying to get people around a site and the problems that staff have in moving one lot while another lot have to stand fast, and so on. These are practicalities. If the complexity of the large site and keeping many groups separate is anything to go by, this is something that ought to be taken into account. Anyway, accepting the reassurances of the Minister, I withdraw the amendment.

Amendment 118 withdrawn.

Amendments 119 to 120B not moved.

Amendment 121

Moved by Lord Beecham

121: Schedule 6, page 97, line 28, leave out paragraph 10 and insert—

“10 Secure college rules may only authorise the use of reasonable force on children—

(a) as a last resort;

(b) for the purposes of preventing harm to the child or others; and

(c) to the extent that the minimum force necessary should be used.”