My Lords, we must be careful that we are using the right figures when we talk about cuts. There has been talk of a 42 per cent cut, and we do not accept that figure. There will be a reduction by the end of the year by 14 per cent.

We believe in IT as a means of delivery. To pick up on a point that the noble Baroness, Lady Sharp, made, traditional methods are not the only route to informal adult learning. People lead busy lives. It might be IT, or it might be one-off courses. The staggering increase in people interested in genealogy because of television programmes, for example, as well as readers' groups and book clubs, are all invaluable parts of informal adult learning.