Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill

Part of the debate – in the House of Lords at 7:30 pm on 3rd March 2008.

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Photo of Lord Lyell of Markyate Lord Lyell of Markyate Conservative 7:30 pm, 3rd March 2008

I have listened carefully to this debate. If there is a Division, I shall support the amendment of my noble friend Lord Waddington. I understand the noble Lord, Lord Dearing, and the reason why he was cautious. If we have to express a view in a vote, my view will be that there is a real problem with the Bill without an amendment that is at least very close to that of my noble friend Lord Waddington.

I listened most carefully to the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, and the noble Baroness, Lady Turner of Camden, and I entirely share their view that I do not wish to see gays bullied. I am very proud of the fact that my cousin was the late Sir Peter Pears, and he and Benjamin Britten had to suffer a great deal of bullying during their lifetime, which was entirely wrong. There is a very real danger that the balance has gone the other way. My noble friend Lord Waddington has got extremely close to getting it right, even if he has not got it absolutely right. It is very important that the Government listen. I am sure that the Minister listens, but I hope that the whole Government will listen very carefully. If for some reason the Committee does not agree this amendment, I hope that the Government will none the less come back with a significant change that improves the position.


david skinner
Posted on 28 Mar 2008 12:29 pm (Report this annotation)

Lord Leyell, with all due respect and I am encouraged that you say you will vote for Lord Waddington’s amendment, but to highlight the fact that Benjamin Britten and Peter Peers came in for some stick simply goes to show that in those days people still knew the difference between good and evil and truth and lies. Why should Elton John get away with putting on a show that glorified paedophilia at the Royal Albert Hall?
Why should people feel sympathy for Robert King, conductor of the King’s Concert for being sent to prison for four years after molesting boys. (Conductor Robert King faces four years in prison )
THE PEOPLE WE NEED TO FEEL SORRY FOR AND WHO NEED OUR PROTECTION ARE THE CHILDREN . You know what ? Around Sir Trevor Phillip’s table of the Joint Council of Equality and Human rights who do you think is not represented? Why it is children but Bully boy Ben Summerskill is there protecting his people from