Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill

Part of the debate – in the House of Lords at 7:30 pm on 3rd March 2008.

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Photo of Lord Monson Lord Monson Crossbench 7:30 pm, 3rd March 2008

Roughly 42 years ago, the Wolfenden recommendations came before your Lordships' House, well before the House of Commons dared to consider them. As so often, this House gave a lead to the other place. I was strongly in favour of the proposals, and was one of those who voted in favour for the first time. The result was 94 votes to 49. Bernard Levin, in his column the next day, said, "Hoorah for their Lordships".

Our action seems wholly uncontroversial—indeed, perhaps slightly on the timid side today—but, at that time, a great many people, particularly north of the border but also in England and Wales, regarded it as definitely radical and provocative. We were called all sorts of rude names, which of course one shrugged off. However, there were more moderate opponents, who tended to argue along these lines: "Yes, the Wolfenden proposals are all very well, but they are the thin end of the wedge. The pendulum is bound to swing too far in the other direction. Mark my words, before many years are out, they"—the more militant homosexuals and not, of course, the ordinary discreet sort—"will demand not merely toleration for their sexual activities—no problem about that—but positive respect, even admiration, for them". To which I replied, "Oh, come on. Nonsense. You're being alarmist". With hindsight, I have to say that I was wrong and they were right.

The danger is not that people will go to prison for criticising certain homosexual behaviour—for the simple reason that no British jury would ever convict, even if the Attorney-General authorised a prosecution—but that, as the noble Lord, Lord Waddington, the noble Earl, Lord Ferrers, and the noble Baroness, Lady O'Cathain, pointed out, the police, in their anxiety to carry out the wishes of their politically correct superiors, will harass people. For that reason, it is vital that we support the amendment.


Adam Knowles
Posted on 4 Mar 2008 5:02 pm (Report this annotation)

"the more militant homosexuals and not, of course, the ordinary discreet sort" - what are you on about, Lord Monson?

You're saying gay people can get on with their lives so long as they don't make too much of a fuss? How dare you!

A great deal of positive respect and yes even admiration is indeed DUE to those that live their lives honestly, with integrity, as full members of society, with pride; those who pay no attention to the desires and opinions expressed by Lord Monson.

The less of this sort of opinion we hear the better for our society.

david skinner
Posted on 28 Mar 2008 12:28 am (Report this annotation)

Adam Knowles, You sound defensive but why should Lord Monson or anyone give respect and admiration for those who proudly and defiantly strutt their stuff at Gay Parades that are increasingly becoming a blot on our towns and cities?

Why should we admire orgies of homosexual men in public parks

I don’t know what you call this man, but should we admire his honesty and integrity ? (sex with bicycle )

Is this something that we should emulate and applaud? ( Gay infections at highest rate ever) ( bi-polar depression) ( Gift givers) (Kevin greening -risks and drugs and the face of homosexuality ) (suicide of Garry Frisch, founder of

Should we really celebrate the violence of homosexual activity that includes sado- masochism, whipping, bondage, humiliation and the like as demonstrated publicly at the Folsom Street Fair in California, (. Scroll down to Folsom Street WARNING EXTREME, EXPLICIT MATERIAL), where hundreds of men baring their genitals, masturbate in public and where orgies of men fellate and fondle each other in the street and where men and women beat each other with whips and women walk around with their breast exposed. The fair - which celebrates sadomasochism - has been running since 1984, and is now California's third largest spectator event. There is no equivalent heterosexual event - as yet - on this scale of depravity any where in the world. How soon before it arrives in Britain with police protection from the Minority Support Police? No doubt Ken Livingstone will give a congratulatory speech, as did the mayor of San Francisco, Gavin Newson ( scroll down to page 13- takes about 2’ to download)

What about this ? Do you really mean to tell us that this marks a high point in human development ? (Terrance Higgins Trust and its dream for our children),,2015220,00.html,

Neither should we wish to ignore the fact that Ernst Roehm, a vicious homosexual was one of the architects of the Third Reich, or deny the involvement of homosexuals paedophile abuse in the concentration camps? ( Homosexuality and the Nazis) ( Alfred Kinsey and Dr Fritz von Balluseck

Neither should we wish to suppress the truth concerning the disproportionately high numbers of homosexuals involved in rapes and serial killing? (Former French drag queen arrested for serial murders) ( Rape in Sydney) ( World worst serial killers; 4 out of 10 being homosexual, the worst being Gilles de Rais (violence and homosexuality). (lesbians murder teenager in Australia)

Are we meant to ignore violence perpetrated by homosexuals against those who oppose them- especially towards Christians (Persecution and death of Harry Hammond even though Bournemouth Pride is deeply offensive and a moral threat to holidaying families and their children) ((Baroness young) ( Church vandalised ) (death threats).
Frequently one hears from those politicians who would promote the gay life-style, and sadly from well - meaning clergy, irritation with those who concentrate on the sexual aspect of homosexuality, preferring rather to present the personal, relational and romantic side; but even if gays are forming civil partnerships the evidence shows that they do not really want to replicate traditional marriage. When the gay minority are offered marriage there is not exactly a stampede. The evidence shows that marriage does not suit their life-style. They deeply resent the homophobic implications of a negative view of homosexual practices which don’t mirror conventional heterosexual marriage practice. Freed of the constraints of marriage, gays like Chris Bryant MP are presently free to explore guiltless pleasures of sexual abandonment. (whose motto is WHAT YOU WANT, WHEN YOU WANT IT). The very last thing that Chris Bryant MP for Rhondda is looking for is a personal relationship or even a person. He wants a pleasure for which a man happens to be necessary piece of equipment. Having consumed the sexual pleasure he is happy to discard the body for another.
What homosexuals want is the acceptance and recognition, the goods and services associated with marriage but not the essential nature of it. But it is heterosexual-like marriage which is easiest to sell to the wider heterosexual community. Even those who want marriage - especially gay men - tend not to see a need to restrict their sexual activity to their ménage:

. (Barrie Drewitt and Tony Barlow on Gaydar)

At least 30% of paedophile crimes are committed by a percentage (not all) of homosexuals who make up less than 2%, or to put it another way, out of the entire population, the homosexual commits paedophilia at a rate at least thirty times more than the heterosexual. Benjamin Britten’s love of boys would be a classic profile of someone having paedophile tendencies. But of course one is not allowed to say anything against homosexual musicians because they are such marvellous and sensitive people. (Conductor Robert King faces four years in prison )
Most people aren't aware that there is an organized effort worldwide to abolish age of consent laws and legalize adult-child sex. Taking their cues directly from the homosexual lobby's playbook, pedophiles are pushing hard to have their vile sexual proclivities legally defined as a 'sexual orientation,' with all of the associated legal 'rights' and protections:

The claim that a disproportionate number of homosexuals are paedophiles is not only made by extreme organisations like the BNP but by reputable authorities, some of whom I list below. But first it is right that we hear an admission of this tendency from the horse’s mouth, from a celebrated homosexual, Peter Tatchell, whilst himself promoting paedophilia:
( Peter Tatchell’s promotion of paedophilia; scroll down to page 44) ( Click on “Age of Consent” and then “I’m 14, I’m Gay & I Want a Boyfried)
EVIDENCE OF LINK BETWEEN HOMOSEXUALITY AND PAEDOPHILIA,_Vrij... (legitimate paedophile political party in Holland) ( failure of welsh social services) ( failure of Islington social services) ( failure Wakefield Social Services) Devon (Inadequate sentence) ( Cooke predatory paedophile) (Head of Scottish LGBT accused of Paedophilia.) ( most wanted paedophile) ( Plans from Peter Hain to lower age of consent to 13 in northern Ireland) ( Jersey and the children’s home under investigation) Jersey and the children’s home)

Chris Bryant MP said during the disgracefully shortened debate last November,2007, in the House of Commons, on the Incitement to hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation bill, that Christians cannot hide behind their religion when making negative comments about homosexuality. Really? But it is OK for David Hockney to hide behind artistic expression when putting on a performance at the Royal Albert Hall that is blatantly paedophile in its implications.

How long before Sir Ian McKellan, the founder of the British branch of Stonewall, exhibits his bits before parties of school children at Stratford?

Yes, whether we like it or not we are going to be forced by your friend Ben Summerskill to celebrate drugs, disease, despair and death.