Part of the debate – in the House of Lords at 4:28 pm on 24 January 2008.
My Lords, I was right at the end.
In this connection I should like to comment on the view that an increased involvement in public service delivery inevitably threatens the sector's independence and ability to campaign, or that delivering public services and remaining an independent campaigning voice must always be in conflict with one another. It is not clear to me why such a tension should exist.