– in the House of Lords at 11:20 am on 29 June 2006.
Baroness Sharples
Conservative
11:20,
29 June 2006
asked Her Majesty's Government:
How many dangerous foreign nationals are still at large and why 200 released from prison are not going to be deported.
Lord Bassam of Brighton
Government Whip, Government Whip
My Lords, this is part of the information on foreign national prisoners that the Immigration and Nationality Directorate has been asked to recheck. The director general of the IND confirmed the position to the Home Affairs Committee, and I cannot provide any information in advance of that. He explained to it that there were around 200 cases with an initial decision not to proceed with deportation. A review process is in train, which means that these cases are being reconsidered.
Baroness Sharples
Conservative
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that half-Answer. Will he comment on what the new Immigration Minister said about the possibility of there being no deportation and an amnesty for these people?
Lord Bassam of Brighton
Government Whip, Government Whip
My Lords, subsequent to that it has been made clear that there is no amnesty. That remains the Government's position.
Lord Corbett of Castle Vale
Labour
My Lords, does the Minister have any figures that compare the reoffending rates of foreign nationals convicted of serious criminal offences with our own nationals similarly convicted? Are they higher or lower?
Lord Bassam of Brighton
Government Whip, Government Whip
My Lords, I do not have those figures. I am happy to write to the noble Lord with any information that can be gleaned. My understanding is that the figures in any event are likely to be broadly similar.
Lord Dholakia
Deputy Leader, House of Lords, Spokesperson in the Lords, Home Affairs
My Lords, with how many countries have we signed the memorandum of understanding about their nationals being deported from this country? What will happen where no such understanding exists?
Lord Bassam of Brighton
Government Whip, Government Whip
My Lords, in answer to the noble Lord's second question, if it is not safe to deport people to a country such as Somalia, then we do not undertake to do that. I do not have the precise number of countries in relation to his first question, but undertake to write to him on that point.
Viscount Bridgeman
Deputy Chief Whip, Whips, Shadow Minister, Home Affairs, Shadow Minister, Northern Ireland
My Lords, on
"One part of dealing with this is taking measures now to legislate so that everyone who is a foreign national who serves a prison sentence is automatically deported".—[Hansard, Commons, 3/5/06; col. 963.]
When do the Government expect to fulfil that undertaking?
Lord Bassam of Brighton
Government Whip, Government Whip
My Lords, it would be wrong of me at this stage to anticipate additions to the legislative programme. Clearly, we are looking very carefully at this issue. I am sure the noble Viscount shares my assumption that there will be an automatic presumption to deport.
Lord Dubs
Labour
My Lords, will my noble friend confirm that some countries will not issue passports or travel documents to those of their nationals whom we wish to deport? That is one of the problems facing the Home Office.
Lord Bassam of Brighton
Government Whip, Government Whip
My Lords, the noble Lord is absolutely right. One of the great difficulties in deporting foreign national prisoners is a lack of documentation. Receiving countries will not receive if no documents are available, and certainly if no passport is available.
Lord Skelmersdale
Shadow Minister, Work & Pensions
My Lords, will the Minister explain on what basis he is not giving this House information, when the same information is presumably about to be revealed to a Select Committee of Another place?
Lord Bassam of Brighton
Government Whip, Government Whip
My Lords, it would be discourteous to the Home Affairs Committee—
Lord Bassam of Brighton
Government Whip, Government Whip
My Lords, a promise and commitment has been made by the director general that that information will be provided to the Select Committee first.
Lord Marlesford
Conservative
My Lords, I put down a Question for Written Answer on
Lord Bassam of Brighton
Government Whip, Government Whip
My Lords, the noble Lord has me worried. I will go away and read that reply very carefully; I apologise to him for the length of time that it took to reply to his Written Question.
Lord Avebury
Spokesperson in the Lords (Civil Liberties), Home Affairs, Spokesperson in the Lords (Africa), Foreign & Commonwealth Affairs
My Lords, is it policy to deport foreign nationals to countries where torture is regularly practised in the absence of the memorandum of understanding? Do the Government intend to renege on our obligations under the convention against torture?
Lord Bassam of Brighton
Government Whip, Government Whip
My Lords, this Government would not renege on that policy. Of course we do not want to place any individual in a position where they are going to be tortured if they are returned to an unsafe country. That is not the Government's policy. Our policy is to deport those dangerous criminals who have served time in prison and should rightly be returned to their country of origin.
The Earl of Sandwich
Crossbench
My Lords, is the Minister aware of the case of the Ghanaian detainee in Haslar who was deported three times by the Home Office? He got only as far as the airport and was then returned to detention. Does the Minister know whether that person has been deported, because his papers were in order?
Lord Bassam of Brighton
Government Whip, Government Whip
My Lords, it is not policy or practice to discuss individual cases at the Dispatch Box. I am not aware of all the details of that case. I am happy to take the point away and ensure that the noble Earl is corresponded with on the issue.
Baroness Sharples
Conservative
My Lords, does the Minister accept that we consider that his brief has been entirely unsatisfactory today?
Lord Bassam of Brighton
Government Whip, Government Whip
My Lords, I do not accept that at all. I have attempted to answer all questions that have been put to me. If I do not have the information in front of me, clearly I cannot provide it, but in every circumstance I undertake to provide as much information as I can and particular points will be responded to in correspondence.
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