Part of the debate – in the House of Lords at 3:00 pm on 6 March 2002.
My Lords, it may be that, with today's figures, we have actually topped Portugal. That is not something of which we can be proud, but the fact is that people are going to prison for non-violent, non-serious offences for very short periods. It does them no good, and it does not help the Prison Service to run a decent, professional penal policy of rehabilitation and training. That must be addressed, and I hope, in the light of the Lord Chief Justice's decisions yesterday, that those who are responsible for dishing out extremely short sentences—six months or less—will take note of what the Lord Chief Justice said.