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Part of the debate – in the House of Commons at 3:21 pm on 23rd October 2019.

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Photo of Mike Penning Mike Penning Conservative, Hemel Hempstead 3:21 pm, 23rd October 2019

The hon. Lady is making a perfect point. I had the honour of being the roads Minister, and I desperately asked my officials to look at the PFI contracts on motorways around the country, including the M25. They found that the cost of coming out of these contracts is so formidable—simply because these companies’ lawyers were frankly a lot better than Gordon Brown’s lawyers when the contracts were written—that no Government would do it, so we are trapped. Some trusts—not least the trust in Romford, which also has a polyclinic—are trapped in debt from the private sector, which makes them completely inefficient.