Prisons and Probation

Part of the debate – in the House of Commons at 1:35 pm on 14th May 2019.

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Photo of David Gauke David Gauke The Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice 1:35 pm, 14th May 2019

That is exactly right. If the private sector is not working, I am prepared to step in—I have no problem with doing that—but the most important thing is that we should look at the outputs and outcomes and base what we do on that, rather than take a simplistic view that the public sector is good and the private sector is bad or, indeed, vice versa. That is the approach that I wish to take.