Leaving the EU: Border Policing

Oral Answers to Questions — Northern Ireland – in the House of Commons at 12:00 am on 20th June 2018.

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Photo of Stephen Gethins Stephen Gethins Shadow SNP Spokesperson (International Affairs and Europe) 12:00 am, 20th June 2018

What assessment she has made of the requirements for (a) physical and (b) electronic infrastructure to police the border after the UK leaves the EU.

Photo of Shailesh Vara Shailesh Vara Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Northern Ireland Office)

Clause 43 of the December joint report makes it absolutely clear that there will be no physical infrastructure or related checks and controls on the border. As for the use of technology, the hon. Gentleman will be aware that the details of a potential solution have yet to be worked out.

Photo of Stephen Gethins Stephen Gethins Shadow SNP Spokesperson (International Affairs and Europe)

I thank the Minister for his response. He will be aware that the Government’s own assessment shows the economy being damaged by the Government’s plans and that the least worst option is staying in the customs union and the single market. Is that the case, or does he have alternative economic advice that he could publish?

Photo of Shailesh Vara Shailesh Vara Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Northern Ireland Office)

I do not accept the hon. Gentleman’s analysis. The fact is that the Northern Ireland economy is doing very well, with the lowest unemployment rate in the country, and exports are increasing. On the single market and the customs union, let me be absolutely clear: the people of the United Kingdom collectively voted to leave the EU, and that includes the customs union and the single market.

Photo of Philip Hollobone Philip Hollobone Conservative, Kettering

Does the Minister agree that there would be no need for any kind of border infrastructure at all if the UK and the EU could agree what everybody wants, which is a comprehensive free trade agreement?

Photo of Shailesh Vara Shailesh Vara Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Northern Ireland Office)

My hon. Friend is absolutely correct. We need to have a comprehensive economic agreement with the European Union. That is possible, and I very much hope that all parties will work towards it.

Photo of Sylvia Hermon Sylvia Hermon Independent, North Down

In recent discussions with the political parties in Northern Ireland, was the issue of the European arrest warrant raised? Will the Secretary of State come to the House and make a statement on the serious implications for the Police Service of Northern Ireland if the availability of the European arrest warrant were closed down to the Chief Constable?

Photo of Shailesh Vara Shailesh Vara Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Northern Ireland Office)

I can assure the hon. Lady that my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State spoke with the Chief Constable this morning about the European arrest warrant. We very much hope to have, as the Prime Minister has suggested, a UK-EU security treaty that will be all-embracing and bespoke. As the GCHQ director Jeremy Fleming said this morning, it is important to recognise that four European countries have benefited directly from our intelligence in the past year.

Photo of Mike Penning Mike Penning Conservative, Hemel Hempstead

With regard to the border, throughout Operation Banner and the troubles in Northern Ireland, the military and the police desperately tried to get a hard border between the north and south. We would blow up crossing points and the following morning they would be open again. With the automatic number plate recognition that we have now, there should be no hard border, and I cannot see how it could be possible.

Photo of Shailesh Vara Shailesh Vara Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Northern Ireland Office)

One of the dividends of the Belfast agreement is that we no longer have physical checks, along with security installations, at the border.